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Old 04-18-2012, 08:16 AM   #31
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Willys will have a little more first person insight, but from what my buddies say the US customs can still see your record. Apparently a pardon does not mean your record is wiped clean, just polished a bit
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #32
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I know 9/11 9/11 9/11.... The Canadians didn't blow up the world trade center, why do we not have an open border with this country? They aren't trying to sneak down here for our universal healthcare or our low crime or loose drug laws. It's insane... we share two giant borders with Canada they should be able to come and go as they please. Damn Canadians coming down here, trying to steal our unemployment and debt.
We have different requirements for allowing visitors into our country than the US does, so they've got good reason for wanting to keep an eye on who's coming in from Canada (or Mexico for that matter).

But the US side gets REALLY touchy about Canucks coming down to potentially take away jobs from US citizens. A couple of times I've been threatended with not being allowed in because of suspicion of that for having tools in the back of the car.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:45 PM   #33
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If you get a pardon for your crimes in Canada the rcord of that crime goes to Ottawa and is housed somewhere, deep so that the regular forces can`t get to it, but it can be seen easily by the RCMP and can be dragged up IF you commit the same type of crime to use as amunition against you if they choose to do so. The RCMP and the US have an agreement that they can share this information between the two levels of law inforcement. This also gives the border Nazi`s the same priviledges. So if they ask you if you have ever been in trouble with the law, answer them truthfully. They will find everything you have done after you cried out your first breath in 20 minutes, guarranteed!
I had a pardon, I tried to cross the border the year the trade centre was bombed in 93 I believe. The border guard screaned in and asked me the specific question`Are you in trouble with the law at the present time`....I answered no....it was a true and accurate answer. He didn`t like it, and sent me into the secondary screaning process. I was asked again the same question, I answered it the same way. The reasoning was I didn`t think it was necessary to drag up my past seeing I had a pardon and it was not what he asked me. Why give him more information than what he was asking for. He came back and asked me to think again and answer him correctly and I said ok, but if he wanted to change his question to have I ever been in trouble with the law....I would answer him truthfully also about that. And the answer would be yes.
That was the beginning of all my problems.....that one crossing....or attempted crossing. It took them 20 minutes exactly to get everything about me legally on record that I had done in my lifetime, everything!

So, if they want to ask and find out anything about you....you่re screwed, because they can see everything there is to be seen. Like I said I asked the local police to find me after this happened to me and they tried and said I was clean as a new born to them. They asked why, I told them and they said as long as I had a pardon, they could care less.

So, again, if you have anything similar to me and they want to search and they will without warning, just depends upon how that particular guard feels that day......you may as well just turn around and go home! Because after you get into the secondary screaning level or department, the place they send you to if they dont like you at the booth, that is where they can find out everything.

Hope this helps anyone who is thinking of trying to slide under the radar.......if you have a planned vacation or a good trip planned and want not to get it ruined, get all the paperwork done way in advance....it takes a long time to get it the first time. I used an agency as it looked more profesional. I was advised of this from the guy at the border. They see that you have done it all profesionally and not tried to cheap out and do it yourself. This way they know nothing has been overlooked and they dont check it as closely. Yes it may cost a bit more, but it is quicker in the long run.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:34 PM   #34
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Thanks for all the info Willys.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:52 PM   #35
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Just to ad to the wealth of info here:
once I asked Immigration Canada about the extensive knowledge base of US Customs and i was told that since the US is the "continent guard" ,most (if not all ) 911 info downloads automaticly to the CIA database.
Apparently the CIA holds the info on 8 layers.The guy in the booth has access to the first 2.Secondary inspection can get it all but it might take time so they can just send you back ,wait or let you go as they please.
The 911info even includes officer's notes if it was ever typed in any system.(I was personally confirmed of some notes that Windsor Police made in '86,very minor street brawl between a few teenagers..no charges at all)
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:11 AM   #36
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Ive crossed maybe 100 times in the last yr. the worst thing you can say when crossing is "I dont know" , "im not sure"
I was asked how much $$ I had by US border guard ( that spoke broken english, very, very hard to understand) , I said , " i dont know, maybe $100"
she then tried to open a truck bed lid lock, had the strength of a 5 yr old, couldnt do it, had help but it was my turn for the secondary.
I have no problem going in for secondary, its their job. I know the drill, be polite, yes sir, etc. your only right is to breathe. I do take issue with the power play some pull. making you stand for an hour w/o restroom while 12 guards BS about the porn they were watching last night does piss me off. their inspections seem screwed up, I've stood in line twice in last 18mo's for an hour. really they could been looking at my car, while 10 -15 stand around and gab to each other, you can tell when they are talking shop or personal. its only when I go to the counter for the interview that someone looks at the car. This is a screwed up system that is not good for security, is a waste of man power.

basic human respect, "innocent until proven guilty" should be the rule of the day and not a checkpoint charlie attitude. 99% of US guards are professional and decent, just doing their job, its the other 1% that go way over the line.

I feel the only way to change is to bitch to elected officials near the border, they do care as it hurts commerce, tourism etc.. weather they can do anything is another matter.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:15 AM   #37
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I've been to some really nice places in the US. Last year I went through Detroit. After being asked alot of questions, I crossed the border and got lost. Ended up in this really scary area I couldn't help to think what was all those questions for? I'm sure there is some nice areas in Detroit, but this wasn't one of them. Movies don't do it justice.
Seems Sam Roberts ( pointe claire QC ) has the same view, read his thoughts on writing the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCi17SEPgpc
I saw him at the tractor tavern, seattle $15
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:08 AM   #38
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Don't want to hijack the thread but, Is it ok to cross from the US to Canada on a borrowed bike (not registered in your name)? I have done this in a car but it was pre-9/11. I will be visiting the in-laws up north around memorial day and would love to jump up to Toronto for a day (not that i'm avoiding the in-laws ) Thanks, Adam

Well apparently I have answered my own question already!!! The Canadian Border Services Agency actually retuned my call!! And were helpful!! I'm thinking of moving LOL!

But just for the FYI for anyone elso looking for this info, It is acceptable to ride a borrowed Motorcycle across the border, you just need a letter from the owner saying it is ok for you to have the bike and it is known you will be crossing the border with it. They said it does not need to be notarized or anything! But I plan to have it notarized and include make, model, and VIN. Just to be a little over prepared lol.

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Old 04-24-2012, 12:09 PM   #39
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make sure its insured, WA state like some doesnt require it on mc's but Canada does
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:11 PM   #40
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... Well apparently I have answered my own question already!!! The Canadian Border Services Agency actually retuned my call!! And were helpful!! I'm thinking of moving LOL! ...
It's only fun until the interrogation begins

It'll help if you know the plate number when they ask. Often it seems that the cameras can't pick up the plate on a bike.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:25 PM   #41
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Aahhhh all good tips!!! It will have Insurance, I was unaware WA didn't require it! Must be a nice perk living there I'll make sure I learn the plate # and recite it right beofre the officers says "please remove your pants sir and head to interigation room B"
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:46 PM   #42
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wow. how did the CIA get into this thread?
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:21 PM   #43
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wow. how did the CIA get into this thread?
Dude, they are in EVERY thread................, move along citizen, nothing to see here.....
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:03 AM   #44
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I crossed over from Canada (son was attending a hockey camp) back to US a few years ago. When asked what was my occupation, I answered I was a Fireman.. The male US agent, then gave me crap about not using the proper title and told me the correct term was Firefighter. When I was hired 30 years ago my badge said Fireman. At the time I crossed the boarder I had been a Captain for close to 20 years. He really irrated me, yet I tried to hold my anger and just said well I was hired as Fireman and was currently a Captain.
He let my family and I through, but it shows you how much power they have and how much they can throw it around.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:23 AM   #45
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Having crossed the border into Canada [eh!] too many times to run back n forth to Michigan the real pricks have always been on the US side.

They- u/s immigration at the Queenston Lewiston Bridge - hauled me in one night and wanted to know why when coming from Grand Rapids I had crossed at Port Huron/Sarnia rather then Detroit/Ambassador bridge. Well stupid it's shorter to go thru PH-Sarnia and no traffic. She asked me 5 times the same question and got the same answer. Finally the agent whom I had first spoken with came over and pulled the pit bull away from me and sent me on my way.

Now the Canadians typically asked me if I have any firearms with me or even ask me if i own any firearms; but never once gave me a hard time over anything. The firearm ownership question is ambiguous...

As for the car they never failed on the US side to ask me who owned the [rental] car.
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