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Old 04-18-2012, 10:33 AM   #121
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The long term heath care argument is false..

Due to higher death rates of lid-less riders it is almost a statistical wash so far as long term health care cost goes.


"The land of the free and the home of the brave"

Is BULLSHIT!!! It should to be omitted from the national anthem of the USA. (replace them with the land of the overly legislated and home of the lawyers and snivelers)
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:23 PM   #122
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Due to higher death rates of lid-less riders it is almost a statistical wash so far as long term health care cost goes.


"The land of the free and the home of the brave"

Is BULLSHIT!!! It should to be omitted from the national anthem of the USA. (replace them with the land of the overly legislated and home of the lawyers and snivelers)

What BULLSHIT is, freedom does not mean that you can do anything you want. Your freedom ends where my freedom starts. We are not living in a vacuum or in a banana republic. Otherwise everybody would make their own laws and enforce them like in the wild west. Don't vote for the legislators that you don't like. It's called democracy.
Come to think of it we should not enforce any helmet laws in the good old USA, and maybe should not enforce any kind of rider education. Seeing some of the lids people wear and the way they ride is a like a bad joke anyway. It would also help with the natural evolution
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:44 PM   #123
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It would also help with the natural evolution

As it should...
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:37 PM   #124
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Your freedom ends where my freedom starts.

This is bullshit in and of itself. All this mentality leads to is a trend of pandering to those that bitch the loudest. We need a good dose of live and let live in this country. Anyone not on board can eat a big old bag of dicks.
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:26 PM   #125
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This is bullshit in and of itself. All this mentality leads to is a trend of pandering to those that bitch the loudest. We need a good dose of live and let live in this country. Anyone not on board can eat a big old bag of dicks.
Try stepping on my freedom in real life while exercising yours and I'll show you what "live or let live" means.
I'm out of here this thread started to change course which has nothing to do with motorcycling or helmets for that matter.
You guys can carry on.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:40 PM   #126
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What BULLSHIT is, freedom does not mean that you can do anything you want. Your freedom ends where my freedom starts. We are not living in a vacuum or in a banana republic. Otherwise everybody would make their own laws and enforce them like in the wild west. Don't vote for the legislators that you don't like. It's called democracy.
Come to think of it we should not enforce any helmet laws in the good old USA, and maybe should not enforce any kind of rider education. Seeing some of the lids people wear and the way they ride is a like a bad joke anyway. It would also help with the natural evolution
Helmet laws protect the person who chooses to wear them, they don't protect you. Your freedom to have others protected does not trump theirs to choose for themselves. This repeal gave more freedom of choice, not less, and that's only a good thing for the fabric of our nation. We don't need blissninnies banning everything that could hurt someone...especially choices of personal protection.

Before you go off on the retarded "but it costs us all" diatribe, explain how skydiving, mountain climbing, risky sex, eating poorly are any different? Further, since motorcycles are more dangerous than cars period, shouldn't you be outlawed from even riding as your pleasure affects everyone else on the road?
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:50 PM   #127
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I've been paying attention since the change, and I'd say 80% or so of riders are still lidded.

Ironically, the FIRST lidless rider I saw was on a sport bike, but everyone after has been on an HD. Mostly touring bikes with fairings as you might imagine.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:56 PM   #128
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This is bullshit in and of itself. All this mentality leads to is a trend of pandering to those that bitch the loudest. We need a good dose of live and let live in this country. Anyone not on board can eat a big old bag of dicks.
That is likely why he said "It's called democracy" It is likely what he and others that support helmet laws and other freedom squashing, personal liberty robbing laws believe. But we are NOT a democracy! We are a republic… Or at least we were one before the snivelers started getting so vocal.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:36 PM   #129
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That is likely why he said "It's called democracy" It is likely what he and others that support helmet laws and other freedom squashing, personal liberty robbing laws believe. But we are NOT a democracy! We are a republic… Or at least we were one before the snivelers started getting so vocal.
Well, if we were a democracy this repeal never would have passed. Polls show only about 20% of Michigan residents in favor of the repeal.
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:28 AM   #130
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agreed!
why no huge movement to repeal seat-belt laws? it's the same thing isn't it?
I'd love to repeal them.

Most of the time, airbags coddle idiots who probably should have to pick their teeth out of a steering wheel. Would be a good learning experience. Stupid should hurt.
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Try stepping on my freedom in real life while exercising yours and I'll show you what "live or let live" means.

If only a keyboard could become a long range riffle ,the keyboard commando set would rule the world !! I probably would have been Ctrl,Alt, Delleted a long time ago.
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Well, if we were a democracy this repeal never would have passed. Polls show only about 20% of Michigan residents in favor of the repeal.
Polls are BS unless you know exactly how the question was worded, who did the polling, and what group of people were polled.
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Polls are BS unless you know exactly how the question was worded, who did the polling, and what group of people were polled.
Exactly, 20% of Michigan residents favored the repeal and I'd bet a high percentage of that 20% were riders, frankly the opinions of non riders is of no consequence to me..

"The year 1854, when the British philosopher, Herbert Spencer, wrote an essay on "Overlegislation." Some of us are apt to assume that the mid-nineteenth century in England was perhaps the time and place when a great nation came nearest to a laissez-faire regime. Spencer did not find it so. He found the country buried under needless legislation, and piling up more. With the change of a few details, his essay sounds as if it were written yesterday: "Take up a daily newspaper and you will probably find a leader exposing the corruption, negligence, or mismanagement of some State-department. Cast your eye down the next column, and it is not unlikely that you will read proposals for an extension of State supervision. . . . Thus, while every day chronicles a failure, there every day reappears the belief that it needs but an Act of Parliament and a staff of officers, to effect any end desired.""
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:52 AM   #134
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Exactly, 20% of Michigan residents favored the repeal and I'd bet a high percentage of that 20% were riders, frankly the opinions of non riders is of no consequence to me..
Ahhh, democracy. We love it when it favors us.
We call those who disagree with us dirty, pig scum socialist commies when it does not.

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"The year 1854, when the British philosopher, Herbert Spencer, wrote an essay on "Overlegislation." Some of us are apt to assume that the mid-nineteenth century in England was perhaps the time and place when a great nation came nearest to a laissez-faire regime. Spencer did not find it so. He found the country buried under needless legislation, and piling up more. With the change of a few details, his essay sounds as if it were written yesterday: "Take up a daily newspaper and you will probably find a leader exposing the corruption, negligence, or mismanagement of some State-department. Cast your eye down the next column, and it is not unlikely that you will read proposals for an extension of State supervision. . . . Thus, while every day chronicles a failure, there every day reappears the belief that it needs but an Act of Parliament and a staff of officers, to effect any end desired.""
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I just finished Animal Farm. The allegory is as scary and true as it was in 1945.

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Ahhh, democracy. We love it when it favors us.
We call those who disagree with us dirty, pig scum socialist commies when it does not.



I just finished Animal Farm. The allegory is as scary and true as it was in 1945.

P.S. If we don't quit talking politics we are doomed for the basement.
What you mean "We" paleface? Some of my best friends are dirty pig scum socialist commies...

sharing political views is far down the list of qualifications for friendship in my opinion... but yes, I'm glad to see a bit more freedom in the world.
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