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Old 04-19-2012, 05:19 PM   #46
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This is simply not true, in the same way everyone thinks BMW parts are expensive (well, at least for 3 series cars). From Pelican Parts web site, I compared the following prices on similar vintage cars (325i vs 944S):

Brake rotor 41.50/72.25
Brake caliper 265.75/389.25
Radiator 186.25/311.75
Water pump 50.50/302.00
Timing belt kit 37.75/232.50
Door weatherstrip, left 151.50/89.50
Clutch kit 379.25/709.75
Fender, oem 282.00/1365.25
Try again. Prices based on 1987 944na
Paragon products has the front brake rotors at $36 for OE, and $52 for Zimmerman.
Calipers for $67 ($20 core charge) Front or rear
Radiator: Pelican had the best price at $302. (I replaced mine 15 years ago, still going great, so not like it is a normal replacement item)
Water Pump: $130 at paragon, but I just bought one locally from IPS for $79
Timing belt kit sounds about right, and I will give you that, they are spendy
Clutch is spendy as well, but a Ford Bronco II clutch disk works great at $35 with a small modification. And again, every 100k or so miles? Big deal. But it is a bitch of a job to do, no argument there.
Fender, who buys new when there are tons of aftermarket and used?

Day in and day out, parts prices are about a wash when you really search for deals. And I do not care if it is a bit more expensive. My 944 draws looks where the BMW will get lost in the crowd except for some BMW loyalists.

Both are great cars, but I would never swap.
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:44 AM   #47
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:22 AM   #48
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I'm not familiar with the 944 but I owned a 325is and it was the best car I've ever owned. It was a real thrill to drive, especially where I lived at the time, there were some long twisty roads the car ate up. The handling was superb, and far superior to the newer ones, I later bought a 2000 version and it wasn't even close to the same vehicle. The only hits were expensive parts, eg : a OEM headlight was 110.00 17 years ago ...ouch.

Other than that I had no problems with it, sold it with 320,000km's for 5k back in '97
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:02 AM   #49
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I don't know where you guys are buying your E30's but 5k for an average E30 seems WAAAY too high. I watch the MSP Craigslist regularly and I see them for sale there for an average of $1,000 to $2,000. It doesn't seem that these cars are on their last legs either. I have my 1984 318i in the parking lot right now that I paid $350 for. I have about $1,000 into it once I got the brakes working and the missing engine monitoring equipment replaced. The PO had swapped engines and done an amateur job of it. Instead of disconnecting the various sensors, he just cut the wires.

My car has 115,000 miles on it and I would expect to get $1,500 tops for it. Maybe the market has changed since I bought mine. If any of you FF's want to buy mine for $5k I am game!

So if you are looking to spend $5,000 on an E30 that thing had better be in tip-top shape, with all the bells and whistles.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:08 AM   #50
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I can also say that even a show room E30 will not cost you 5K. They are great cars, but like the E28, they don't commend high resale because of many factors. I will say that once you drive a 325 E30 with a 5 speed, and get to take it thru some hard corners, especially if it is a 325is, you'll WANT one. PLUS, there are so many aftermarket trick parts for them as well. The ONLY E30s that command high prices are the E30 M3s and they go for top dollar IF you can find a bloke who will part with his.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:12 AM   #51
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Here's one that's almost a track car.

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...923410698.html
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:13 AM   #52
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Oh, BTW, I had a buddy who had a 944 s when I had my 1972 2002. Sure my 2002 had a Dr. Schrick bumpstick, ported, and a set of Webber 45DCOEs, headers and I could drive, but I made his 944 look like a Buik on a race from the top of Sandia Crest to the bottom and when we went UPhill, I was at the top waiting for him for 15 MINUTES before he squealed up the last corner. It is a 12 mile corner full of fun that road.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:47 AM   #53
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It's pretty obvious where everyone's allegiances lie.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:14 PM   #54
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It's pretty obvious where everyone's allegiances lie.
A 1972 2300 Pinto would smoke both of these cars

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Old 04-20-2012, 02:00 PM   #55
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A 1972 2300 Pinto would smoke both of these cars

Sure you did!
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:42 PM   #56
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A 1972 2300 Pinto would smoke both of these cars

Who brought Fitzy into the conversation?

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Old 04-20-2012, 03:12 PM   #57
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as a Porsche owner, I have to admit - factory parts aren't cheap. that said, BMW owners shouldn't be talking...
I've owned VW's, BMW's, Volvos and Porsches. Of the 4 Volvo and Porsche BOXES are the most expensive, followed closely by BMW. None of the above MAKE parts, they're all outsourced from Bosch, Timken, SKF, Walbro, MANN, etc. All you need is a part number and you can save 25-50%.

Of all the cars I've owned, I think my '78 911SC is the cheapest, because even that late in the game, many parts were sourced from the same place as VW parts, and they made the friggin things for almost a decade. Older 911's are even cheaper, because they have an even higher VW parts bin content. The 968 parts fall into three categories, parts common to Audi and VW trucks (cheap), parts exclusive to Porsche (more expensive) and parts exclusive to the water-cooled line (really expensive, except for the aforementioned wear items like water pumps, alternators, etc.) For instance, a plastic 1" X .5" plug that covers a dashboard mounting screw is $28 (specific to Grey interior 944 S4 and 968) while the water temperature sending unit for the FI that cracked and started leaking was $12 (applies to all 4-5 cylinder Porsche-Audi-VW Truck engines.)
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:23 AM   #58
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Go for the P. car.
Back in the mid 80's I had a 1980 924 with the "S" option group, and a 1984 944. Bought the 924 at Mark Motors there in your home town. If you go for the Porsche, a must is to join the PCA. Lots of info and great people.

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Old 04-22-2012, 01:17 PM   #59
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Hey there,

IMO the BMW. My brother had one and it was a great handling and fun car. Check out the local clubs too, the BMW club that goes to Calabogie imo has a lot of following in terms of the older cars.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:41 AM   #60
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So the final answer was....neither.

I found a 1987 Porsche 924S (same engine as the 944) with 125k km for $3500.00
Quite a good deal, in my mind. The car is in very good condition, with only two small rust bubbles. For the price, I didn't bother with a pre-purchase inspection, but it is going in to a reputable indie Porsche shop on Monday. I am going to have the PPI done, just so I know what needs to be done.

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