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Old 04-21-2012, 06:47 AM   #31
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Why the Zumo is so expensive is beyond me. Cut the price in half and they'd still make a hefty profit, plus a ton more people would buy them. Le sigh.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:35 AM   #32
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Why the Zumo is so expensive is beyond me. Cut the price in half and they'd still make a hefty profit, plus a ton more people would buy them. Le sigh.
Niche product in a niche market with little to no real competition = high price.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:44 AM   #33
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Hey worwig, what mount do you use for your Android? Thanks.
I use the RAM finger grip universal mount. I added a regulator to the back side to keep the phone charged.

I even modified it to let me use the camera while under way. Works fairly well, but camera shake is a problem.
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Old 04-21-2012, 08:23 AM   #34
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I use the RAM finger grip universal mount. I added a regulator to the back side to keep the phone charged.

I even modified it to let me use the camera while under way. Works fairly well, but camera shake is a problem.
Thank you.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:00 AM   #35
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Niche product in a niche market with little to no real competition = high price.
Sure, but the market would be far larger with a reasonable price tag. $400 for the tiny 220 is absurd. $650 for a decent screen size makes rigging up a smartphone far more appealing. I'm sure they sell just fine to folks with a ton of money to burn, but geez.
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Old 04-21-2012, 10:41 AM   #36
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I tried using my iphone as a GPS. There are lots of places in the PNW to go where you have no cell coverage. No cell coverage means no map on the iphone. Screw that. I'll stick with my GPS. If you stay on major roads and highways then you are fine with the iphone as a GPS.
Why do people keep saying this?

Will a Garmin work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.
Will an iPhone work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.

It is *so easy* to solve this "problem"
1) Do not call the Google map a GPS - because it isn't
2) Buy a GPS app - like Motion X Drive. It's $3 to download and comes with a month of turn by turn directions.
3) Spend an additional $20 (currently on sale for $10) for a year's worth of use
4) This is the hard part for some people to understand, but it works the same was as a fucking Garmin. Download maps.

Seriously people, the "secret" to using an iPhone (and any other GPS) is to download maps.

No maps = no GPS
You do not need cell service to use a GPS. Period.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:38 AM   #37
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When i was riding in south america i used an app called galileo for the iphone. It basically downloads maps to the phone so you dont need a data conection. The phone does take a while to find you on the map. Since there is no service but it works.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:55 AM   #38
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I don't get it either, on page 2 I even mentioned Motion X as well as MotionX-gps which gives you topo maps.

But some I think rather bitch and carry on with what they know than actualy open the tool box and use the tools they have in there pocket.




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Why do people keep saying this?

Will a Garmin work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.
Will an iPhone work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.

It is *so easy* to solve this "problem"
1) Do not call the Google map a GPS - because it isn't
2) Buy a GPS app - like Motion X Drive. It's $3 to download and comes with a month of turn by turn directions.
3) Spend an additional $20 (currently on sale for $10) for a year's worth of use
4) This is the hard part for some people to understand, but it works the same was as a fucking Garmin. Download maps.

Seriously people, the "secret" to using an iPhone (and any other GPS) is to download maps.

No maps = no GPS
You do not need cell service to use a GPS. Period.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:45 PM   #39
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But some I think rather bitch and carry on with what they know than actualy open the tool box and use the tools they have in there pocket.

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Old 04-21-2012, 05:32 PM   #40
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There seems to be better options available with android phones , but don't want to turn this thread into iPhone vs android. This app coming out for android could be a winner though with the capability to preload google maps and satellite images. Designed by RTW guys it seems.

http://www.gpsmapp.com/index.php/en/user-manual

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Old 04-21-2012, 07:17 PM   #41
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The download seems only linked from the spanish version of the website? Anyways, here it is: http://www.gpsmapp.com/index.php/es/...085/34-gpsmapp
Somebody with an android phone should install it and test it, so that I know whether it's worth it when my new phone arrives next week....
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:56 AM   #42
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There seems to be better options available with android phones , but don't want to turn this thread into iPhone vs android. This app coming out for android could be a winner though with the capability to preload google maps and satellite images. Designed by RTW guys it seems.

http://www.gpsmapp.com/index.php/en/user-manual

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Generally, you want to get vector maps. This program downloads raster maps, and it would take many GB of storage to get all of the maps you would want, and at a few different zoom levels.
I use CoPilot and OSMand for Android. Not sure there are a iPhone equals. But most of the apps that download maps for iPhone are going to download raster maps because they are so much smaller. I believe Navigon is one such for iPhone. Basically, if it pre downloads the entire country to rom, it is most likely raster.

I only use my Garmin now on long trips, mainly just because it is waterproof and the screen a bit easier to see in daylight.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:41 AM   #43
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There seems to be better options available with android phones , but don't want to turn this thread into iPhone vs android. This app coming out for android could be a winner though with the capability to preload google maps and satellite images. Designed by RTW guys it seems.

http://www.gpsmapp.com/index.php/en/user-manual

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Hi All .
I am Javier Carrion . I am the developer of that GpsMapp application . It is still a bit unfinished... we plan to get it ready in a month or so .

Being a (ex) Adventure biker (Madrid-Capetown in a Xl600 ) , TransAustralia (DR650) , Madrid-Lusaka (ATwin650) , I found that there was a missing gap in the navigation applications market. The need for a offline cacheable google maps .. but with the caching software being *inside* the application , so to update the map there is no longer need for a PC , a cable , etc.etc. .Just the fact of browsing the map , makes it stored on the memory for ever.

anyway , As with every app , what becomes simple , tends to grow in complexity. Then we had the idea of the waypoint sharing feature (so travellers can share a huge database of overland -related-waypoints in www.go-overland.co.uk ) , then we added the tracks sharing , and the "spot" like position publishing - all also in www.go-overland.co.uk).

Of special interest for bikers is the fuel computer ... at least for older bikes that have no fuel indicator . Also , the on-screen buttons have been made big enough to be used with riding gloves.

We are still testing the app , so as *a limited offer* -he he - we are flogging it for free. So the first users can help us to streamline the app , telling us what they like /dislike , etc.. .

If you find /can think of a feature that would be of utility in the app , and is missing... we would be most pleased to hear it , so we can implement it .

By the way ,. It is for both Android *and* iPhones/iPads/iPods.

To download the free android app .. just get it from the web . Alternatively , If you are a iPhone user.. then the process is just a little bit more complicated. Id need the UDID of the handset to cook a special version that would only work on that device

Thanks all for your time.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:46 AM   #44
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You can use Liquipel to waterproof your iPhone...

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Old 04-23-2012, 07:24 AM   #45
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Why do people keep saying this?

Will a Garmin work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.
Will an iPhone work if there's no map in it? NO. Of course not.

It is *so easy* to solve this "problem"
1) Do not call the Google map a GPS - because it isn't
2) Buy a GPS app - like Motion X Drive. It's $3 to download and comes with a month of turn by turn directions.
3) Spend an additional $20 (currently on sale for $10) for a year's worth of use
4) This is the hard part for some people to understand, but it works the same was as a fucking Garmin. Download maps.

Seriously people, the "secret" to using an iPhone (and any other GPS) is to download maps.

No maps = no GPS
You do not need cell service to use a GPS. Period.
It's amazing how after all this time there are still idiots out here that think a smart phone has to have cell service to work as a GPS, and those same idiots post up all the time trying to make that invalid point.
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