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Old 10-24-2013, 11:56 AM   #4636
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wont it fit on the inside of the frame?
we had a look at it but just too many wires, hydraulic hoses in the way...
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:24 PM   #4637
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Which KTM panniers you talking about? The rugged alu ones or the more civilized ones with the black front/back?
Im talking about the plastic black front n back with the silver insert ones. The rugged aluminum ones are actually touratech.. The same as the aluminum side cases and the pannier rack..

Which the ktm pannier rack even though its touratech, is cheaper than touratech by a long shot..
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:02 AM   #4638
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So which panniers have the lock problem?

The KTM panniers that have black ends and silver inserts?

or

The KTM panniers that are actually made by TouraTech?
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:06 AM   #4639
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So which panniers have the lock problem?

The KTM panniers that have black ends and silver inserts?

or

The KTM panniers that are actually made by TouraTech?
The first ones you've listed.
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Old 10-25-2013, 01:51 PM   #4640
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Im talking about the plastic black front n back with the silver insert ones. The rugged aluminum ones are actually touratech.. The same as the aluminum side cases and the pannier rack..

Which the ktm pannier rack even though its touratech, is cheaper than touratech by a long shot..
Was just thinking of getting those KTM ones since they seem to fit nice and tight to the bike. Could you post a pic off your Givi's. They look pretty good to me as well.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:41 AM   #4641
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Had some fun with a factory test bike:) Still not to my taste, but a lot better than the non-R version :)

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Old 10-26-2013, 11:04 AM   #4642
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I have the H and B topbox panniers and Rack. Hopefully fit the rack this week and will post pics.

When I had them fitted to the Tex the permanent racking on the bike was barely visible when the main pannier supports were removed (15 second job) if that all makes sense.

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Those panniers look great. I've got Touratech fitted to my KTM 990 Adventure at the moment. Do you know if these would fit directly to the panniers racks I already have? They are the standard KTM pannier racks fitted by the dealer.
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Old 10-26-2013, 12:10 PM   #4643
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Let me first state that I did a 2945KM tour to Philip Island and back in 6 days. It didn't miss a beat and consumed a little bit of oil which it my 990 did as well upto the first 10000km. However the Pannier case lock mechanism are absolutely the worst I have seen. The key gets in with and to turn it to the right (to lock the case) or left to be able to get the case off is a real struggle.... It feels like you are going to break the key...The current status is that both cases now do not come off anymore as I tried to turn around the key to get it unlock mode. Somehow the internal unlock mechanism got decouple from the key turn part and now the key does not want to go in anymore completely after removing it once. Consequence. Once case permanently locked other one not and both can't come off. My dealer ordered new ones. Has anyone seen a threat on this?

I was at my dealer this week and he commented that one customer is on their fourth set!
I have given mine a good squirt of silicone spray on the plastic latch parts in the lids. That works a treat.
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Old 10-26-2013, 12:21 PM   #4644
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There are a few different manufacturers who provide KTM dealers with panniers. SW Motech., Hepco & Becker and Touratech.

Which brand are we talking about here? I'm guessing it's not the Touratech as they don't use locks to remove the panniers form the frames.
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:14 PM   #4645
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Took my first demo ride on the KTM 1190

I had a chance today to go out to Mountain Motorsports in Conyers GA and take a ride on a few demo bikes.

My buddy Bob and I were both there to ride a couple bikes, and thanks to my buddy Russ (Schoals), he was able to set us up with a few rides. First up for me was brand new KTM 1190. I have been lusting after this bike since it was announced and was glad to see one in the flesh and finally throw my leg over one. This was the just the standard KTM 1190 Adventure with the 17/19" wheels, but for me personally, I'd be going for the KTM 1190 Adventure R with the 18/21" wheel set. Bob wanted to ride the Tiger 800XC, so that was his first bike of choice.

Ergonomics on the KTM felt pretty good although I would need to raise the bars to stand up comfortably. Amazingly, the bike feels pretty light, even less porky than the Tiger 800XC. I think overall, the bike is laid out very well. The instrumentation is fabulous with a big analog tach right in the middle. Off to the right in digital format are your speedo, fuel & temp bar type gauges, gear indicator, and time and maybe a few other things I'm forgetting. Off to the left is another good size square screen with all kinds of information. Its controlled by the a 4 way keypad on the left handle bar and KTM really allows you customize the screen to see exactly what you want. You can pick 5 of your favorite items from just any setting you can imagine and they show up on your "favorite menu". You can cycle through about 7 screens including 2 different trip screens that have all kinds of info on them. On other screens, you can fuel/throttle mapping and suspension mapping on the fly. While you are stopped, there are more settings you can tweak with too like Traction control, ABS, more specific suspension changes, etc. I'm not sure if you can, but I would hope you could tweak and save the presets to be what you want so you can switch to them on the fly.

As we rolled down the road, I knew I was in for a treat. The big LC8 KTM motor just purrs along low in the RPM range with no problems just lugging it along if you want. I'm not a fan of big motors that don't like to chug down low very smoothly, but KTM got this one right! Once we got to some of the back roads, I really got to open it up. That 1190 motor is an absolute animal and just keeps pulling. I found myself having to back off in 3rd gear or I'd be easily into the triple digits. In 2nd gear, it will start to the loft the front tire around 5-6k without even trying and surely felt like it would do it in 3rd pretty easily too. Heck I even surprised myself pulling up the front end in 4th gear under low rpm's with just a little rise in the road. Its downright scary what the bike will do in the upper RPM range if you jump on it hard, but at the same time its such a pleasure to ride nice in easy too. It covers everything well.

I spent most of my time in Sport mode with the sport suspension setting and it felt really good and responsive. It dipped into the turns with ease and was such an easy bike to ride, but felt like you could easily rail on it too at the same time. I did play with the other settings and I really like how it felt in each of the respective modes. (Sport, Street, Rain, Off-road). Rain mode really calmed things down which would be a great mode to use if you were in heavy traffic and just lugging along. Street mode is still pretty aggressive, just not quite as aggressive as sport mode. I didn't get to try the bike off road, so the jury's still out there, but I would really expect it to shine!

We did a nice 20 min ride on our first ride, then came back and traded bikes and did the same exact ride again. I have ridden the 800XC a few times before, but it was good to jump on it back to back with the KTM. The 800cc triple is an absolute dream in the low RPM's and is so smooth and I've always been a fan of that motor. The KTM isn't vibey at all and is a very pleasurable motor to ride, but that triple definitely shows you what super smooth is. The triple has a pretty flat torque curve as you accelerate although its got some punch on the top end. Riding Tiger back to back against my Vstrom 650, it feels like its so much more powerful, but riding the Tiger 800 and the KTM 1190 back to back just blew me away how much faster and stronger that KTM motor is. They aren't even in the same ball park. The Tiger 800 triple feels like an absolute dog when you ride it back to back with to the KTM even though its really not a bad motor, the KTM just is that much of a monster! When I was riding the Tiger, I kept waiting for it to spin up when I got on the gas and it just never happened, LOL.

Once we were back from that ride, Russ let me jump on the new FZ-09. That is a great small and lightweight bike and I just wanted to see what it felt like. Its not the type of bike for me, but I never pass up the opportunity to ride a new bike and I sure enjoyed playing on it. Again its a triple motor and I think Yamaha did a great job on it. It has a very minimalist feel with not much in front of you and even the small dash is off set to the right giving you basically and unobstructed view right to the front tire. The bike was brand new with hardly any miles, so I didn't rail on it, but I could definitely tell I enjoyed the motor. I think if Yamaha took that triple and made something comparable to the Tiger 800 keeping the focus on lightweight, they would have a great bike on their hands. The Super Tenere is a heavy beast and will definitely eat up the open roads, but give the consumer something to compete with the Tiger 800/800 XC and I think Yamaha would have an instant winner on their hands.

I came back from that ride and didn't want to end the day not riding the KTM one more time, so Russ let me take it out again. I went solo this time and had even more fun that time around and came back smiling just as much as the first time. I spent a little time just riding in street mode taking it easy just seeing if the bike would be enjoyable for every day riding and it really is.

I could easily see the KTM covering everything from long distance touring, to adventure riding to even aggressive dual sport riding (in the 18/21 tire version). I could not find anything to nitpick about the bike at all which is pretty amazing. KTM really got everything right on it!

Getting ready to climb on the KM 1190


I would expect the Adventure R to be a bit higher. BTW, this is with the seat in the tall position too, but I'm 6'4".




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Old 10-26-2013, 06:18 PM   #4646
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I'm still doubting about which panniers I should buy. I don't have the bike yet but I went to a dealer to make a price. He would give me a percentage on the bike but not on the accessories.

I would chose both panniers, the touring windscreen, heated grips and the crash-bars. I find the panniers a little expensive and because of that I'm looking for more bang for the buck. How are the "standard" (powerparts) panniers? Are they good quality or is a givi trekker pannier as good? H&B (Xplorer black) are 25 dollars cheaper than the OEM panniers but are they better or not ? So many questions...

I have no experience with panniers at all. My previous bike wasn't that much of a touring bike.

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Old 10-26-2013, 08:56 PM   #4647
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finally had the chance to see one (standard model not "r") up close today at the IMS show…no KTM booth but one of the NorCal dealers had one on display…..

only problem the bike had been damaged some how….no wind screen on it and had some scuffs and the display mount busted up a bit. sat on the bike and ergonomics seemed good…..but only real way to tell is to ride one

after the fact learned today that Scuderia had a demo day….guess I should of gone there instead of the IMS show….

haven't seen the "r" model in person yet…
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:42 PM   #4648
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Great review!

One note I will make is that I was really surprised how distinctly different the standard and the R felt compared to each other.

The standard is a much better road bike in my opinion, and had me really questioning if I want the R or not.

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Old 10-26-2013, 09:59 PM   #4649
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I have to say it is an awesome powerplant. The bike is really easy to ride. It is very smooth. I rode around Dobbins Air Force Reserve base briefly on a demo ride, from Mountain Motorsports in Marietta.
I agree with previous assessments and observations, although I didn't feel any heat, probably due to cooler air temps, but I did notice something weird...
This standard 1190 seemed hard to keep down in a curve, it kept wanting to come back up to upright. Hard to describe, but it gets to a certain point when leaning over, then you have to work harder to push it down into a more severe lean angle, kind of unnerving at first.

Has anyone experienced this on demo rides?
BlueLightning? Since you went to the other Mountain Motorsports...
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:30 PM   #4650
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I have to say it is an awesome powerplant. The bike is really easy to ride. It is very smooth. I rode around Dobbins Air Force Reserve base briefly on a demo ride, from Mountain Motorsports in Marietta.
I agree with previous assessments and observations, although I didn't feel any heat, probably due to cooler air temps, but I did notice something weird...
This standard 1190 seemed hard to keep down in a curve, it kept wanting to come back up to upright. Hard to describe, but it gets to a certain point when leaning over, then you have to work harder to push it down into a more severe lean angle, kind of unnerving at first.

Has anyone experienced this on demo rides?
BlueLightning? Since you went to the other Mountain Motorsports...
Yeah, I didn't feel any heat either, but it was definitely a cooler day.

I can't say I really got a chance to really push the 1190 in curves, but from what I felt and what curves I did hit, I didn't think it handled weird at all? In fact I was kind of impressed how easy it was to ride. I wonder if it was tire pressure on your bike or maybe just the difference in tires than what you are used to as some tires definitely have a different lean in feel with others. In fact, I noticed that I had to push the FZ-09 much more deliberately to make it turn compared to both the Tiger and the 1190. I contribute some of that to just the better leverage you get on a more upright adventure bike.

Unfortunately, there aren't any great curves around the Conyers store, at least the route that I know around there. There's one decent longer turn you can hit as you are heading back on Iris drive there and I got a good run at it the first time. Second time I was in traffic.

I really would like to play with it in the mountains on some twisty roads to really got a good feel for it though. That would tell you pretty quickly how well it did when pushed hard.
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