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Old 04-23-2012, 03:54 PM   #1
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DMC Enduro sidecar - mods?

Was wondering what guys have done for mods to their DMC Enduro sidecars... particularly with regards to storage solutions. I bolted in a racing seat, bolted on the windshield, and a couple of ammo cans, and still intend to hang a Kolpin gas can (already purchased) on it somewhere. Also mounted an auxiliary light and LED marker light (I want cars to see me!) on the front. No idea how many of these Enduro sidecars Jay has sold, but I sure like mine. Interested in seeing what others have done with theirs.





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Old 04-24-2012, 10:12 AM   #2
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Wow!

152 views (as I write this) and no responses whatsoever! Bueller? Bueller?

I dunno - how rare are these Enduro sidecars? No one use 'em for travelling? I'm hoping to get a little backwoods camping in with mine in my (semi) retirement.
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:59 AM   #3
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Not sure what you are doing for panniers...but.
If you wanted to make a small bracket, you could mount the Kolpin between the bike and the car.
I haven't had good luck with Kolpin tanks, they have leaked on me.
Switched to Rotopax and haven't had a problem yet.
Good luck.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:37 AM   #4
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I keep breaking mine. Bent the sidecar axle once and just blew out the shock during this ride a few weeks ago. Maybe "Enduro" is a little optimistic?

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Old 04-24-2012, 11:52 AM   #5
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VACommuter - Just started trailing with mine recently. The wife is a little reluctant, so I've been slowly working up the "roughness" of the overall experience and pointing out the wildlife & birdwatching get back to nature angle. A few days back I was zipping back along a trail and hit a good bump with the sidecar wheel (was hidden in tall grass - didn't see that coming!) - it really kicked the car up. She thought that surely it bent the rim, but it was fine. Jay (from DMC) has said that initially they used Harley sidecar axles? ...which had some failures. Maybe yours was one of them? You ever load the bike & sidecar down with gear and take it backcountry camping?

BeeMaa - I just mounted side racks this last weekend. I bought a set used off eBay. They came with ABS plastic support racks for soft luggage (not mounted yet). I'll get that sorted out soon enough, and buy some dry bags to strap into them. I've got a trip to the Rockies planned for last 2 weeks in July, but will likely take the Goldwing rig instead (better to eat the miles up).
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:38 PM   #6
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Hey GWN....

I'm glad you started this thread I just recently started looking into sidecars and kind of was interested in the DMC Enduro Hack. I see quite a few being used on the KLR but was thinking of trying one on my DR sometime in the future.

So I hope there are riders out there that might have one on a DR and tell how they like it or not,I will be checking to see if that combo is very common. I see allot of nice GS/GSA rigs but that combo is way out of my price range.....
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:20 PM   #7
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Yeah, they're nice.

Hogslayer, I PM'd Jay himself today here... he said they've only sold about 30 or so Enduro sidecars, mostly on KLR's. Obviously they haven't caught on quite yet (shame). They'd be a great match on a DR650. I find the KLR lacks oomph. I'll be looking into a 685 or 705 kit at some point in the future, and maybe even a 2nd engine to play with (build up). I've read a bit about the DR having more power to start with, and delivering more horsepower gains from hop-up. Adding a sidecar soaks up a surprising amount of power - the extra weight and drag, both from the sidecar tire scrubbing slightly and air resistance. Must say tho, the Enduro rig makes zipping down a gravel road amazingly stress free... it's really in it's element on smooth gravel, and tearing thru fields! Reasonably stable and safe feeling I find... once you get used to riding/driving a rig. They are quirky to say the least!
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:20 PM   #8
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We have only sold a couple of these for DR's We have also sold our M72D for DR's The DR works well as a sidecar bike.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:33 PM   #9
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The 685 is a big improvement as is a heavy duty clutch and springs. Gearing down and keeping the rpms up will make a huge difference. I think many people ride their rigs at much too low of engine speed,thinking they are doing the engine a favor. Once I get going I don't like to let the engine drop below 3 grand. 4000 to 5000 rpm seems to be the sweet spot for the KLR and it really doesn't complain at 6000 or a little more. Naturally you want to keep an eye on your oil levels and keep the valves adjusted. Roll the throttle on a bit and you may be surprised how the performance improves. Too low of rpm and you have neither pulling power nor snap. The bike will lug down at the first sign of a hill or headwind.

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Hogslayer, I PM'd Jay himself today here... he said they've only sold about 30 or so Enduro sidecars, mostly on KLR's. Obviously they haven't caught on quite yet (shame). They'd be a great match on a DR650. I find the KLR lacks oomph. I'll be looking into a 685 or 705 kit at some point in the future, and maybe even a 2nd engine to play with (build up). I've read a bit about the DR having more power to start with, and delivering more horsepower gains from hop-up. Adding a sidecar soaks up a surprising amount of power - the extra weight and drag, both from the sidecar tire scrubbing slightly and air resistance. Must say tho, the Enduro rig makes zipping down a gravel road amazingly stress free... it's really in it's element on smooth gravel, and tearing thru fields! Reasonably stable and safe feeling I find... once you get used to riding/driving a rig. They are quirky to say the least!
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:00 AM   #10
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Roger that!

Hi RedMenace (Vern) - exactly what I'm discovering. I was letting 'er rip the other day on gravel and was a little surprised by the jam it had if you rev it out. I think I've perhaps read so much on the oil consumption issue, and how it's attributed to high rpm highway running, that it subconsciously motivates me to cruise at lower rpms. Mine uses a little bit of oil, but it's not bad. I ordered a 14T front sprocket - that should make a difference!

Question: did you build your "adventure" sidecars yourself? They are a nice design (I like what I see)..
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:47 AM   #11
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How long does it take to disconnect those enduro hacks?
I'm thinking of getting one to haul around camping gear and my pressure washer.
Other times I'd just like to pull it off for around town.
It will be going on a 2012 BMW F650 twin.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:28 PM   #12
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4 easy to get at bolts and the sidecar is off. 10 minutes with hand tools, less then one with air tools.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:05 PM   #13
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Hogslayer, I PM'd Jay himself today here... he said they've only sold about 30 or so Enduro sidecars, mostly on KLR's. Obviously they haven't caught on quite yet (shame). They'd be a great match on a DR650. I find the KLR lacks oomph. I'll be looking into a 685 or 705 kit at some point in the future, and maybe even a 2nd engine to play with (build up). I've read a bit about the DR having more power to start with, and delivering more horsepower gains from hop-up. Adding a sidecar soaks up a surprising amount of power - the extra weight and drag, both from the sidecar tire scrubbing slightly and air resistance. Must say tho, the Enduro rig makes zipping down a gravel road amazingly stress free... it's really in it's element on smooth gravel, and tearing thru fields! Reasonably stable and safe feeling I find... once you get used to riding/driving a rig. They are quirky to say the least!
I hear what you are saying I would think dragging a hack around has to hurt your performance, it would be used mostly for back roads and hauling extra fuel and camping gear around plus I would think a hack might be better in the winter up here when the roads get iced up, this year I took a couple good spills when I came across a couple good ice patches in the road. Knobby tires work great in the snow and mud but didn't realize if you hit ice your better off with street tires on....I've never been thrown off a bike so fast in my life with no control at all like riding on ball bearings to skechy for me, thats why Im sort of looking into a hack .

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We have only sold a couple of these for DR's We have also sold our M72D for DR's The DR works well as a sidecar bike.
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I really like the look of the M72D and Ural sidecars but would think the poor DR would strain big time trying to push one of those around. I would like to see a setup like that though if someone has that rig, I want something small and lite to haul camping gear around in the woods I hate strapping and unstrapping crap all over the back ,with a back pack on I have to stand most of the time because all the gear I carry shoves me forward in the saddle and makes it uncomfortable.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:15 PM   #14
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I hear what you are saying I would think dragging a hack around has to hurt your performance, it would be used mostly for back roads and hauling extra fuel and camping gear around plus I would think a hack might be better in the winter up here when the roads get iced up, this year I took a couple good spills when I came across a couple good ice patches in the road. Knobby tires work great in the snow and mud but didn't realize if you hit ice your better off with street tires on....I've never been thrown off a bike so fast in my life with no control at all like riding on ball bearings to skechy for me, thats why Im sort of looking into a hack .



I really like the look of the M72D and Ural sidecars but would think the poor DR would strain big time trying to push one of those around. I would like to see a setup like that though if someone has that rig, I want something small and lite to haul camping gear around in the woods I hate strapping and unstrapping crap all over the back ,with a back pack on I have to stand most of the time because all the gear I carry shoves me forward in the saddle and makes it uncomfortable.
I built this unit for a XR250...Its light enough to to pic up & carry...Build link at the bottom..

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Old 04-25-2012, 02:22 PM   #15
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I have found that our M72D sidecar works better on the road then the Enduro on the KLR better areodynamics.
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