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Old 04-25-2012, 10:28 PM   #1
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Cornering Techique

OK, so doubltless the 'old timers' will chuckle, but;

I've got a 1956 Panther with chair in the UK, and ride it bolt upright, never move in the saddle, never have any issues with left hand bends (remember it's RHD, so chair on the left) (I've got a 1960 Dnepr too, but it's slow slow that all bends are straight!)

Out here in Qatar I've got a Ural Retro, much lighter on the chair, and smaller wheels, so closer to the ground, and LHD drive, so chair on the right.

If I exit a roundabout with any speed, that's on a right hand turn, the chair goes light and the buttocks start to clench. I thought about 50kg of sand in the chair, but then started to shift my weight over the chair on right handers.

Two things happen, the chair is less inclined to fly, and as you unweight the rear wheel, by shifting weight to the sidecar wheel, the back end slips round, helping to complete the turn.

Do other inmates do this?

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Old 04-26-2012, 12:17 AM   #2
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To be short...yes, I shift my weight to the inside of ANY corner I am taking.
I have experienced the pucker factor of flying the chair at speed.
My bride was less than impressed and let me know it.
Slow down and lean in, that's the ticket.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:54 AM   #3
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To be short...yes, I shift my weight to the inside of ANY corner I am taking.
I have experienced the pucker factor of flying the chair at speed.
My bride was less than impressed and let me know it.
Slow down and lean in, that's the ticket.
Cheers.
And the LOOK, I'll betcha got the LOOK too?
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:39 AM   #4
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In the right turn it's the lifting of the throttle that adds to the chair wanting to fly. Shift your weight toward the tub, stay on throttle and practice controlling the chair lift by applying front brake. Now keep in mind if your speed is too hot you'll still have issues. Practice, practice, practice and your understanding of controlling the rig is right on.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:44 AM   #5
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I'm with BeeMaa. I shift my arse over on just about every curve right or left except for the really tame ones. That way, in case something unexpected happens like the chair wheel hitting a hole, I'm already in position to handle it.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:27 AM   #6
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Yes!

I've got 2 rigs - a big heavy Goldwing GL1500, and a KLR650 rig. Riding the KLR rig I find I use a lot of body english on RH turns (the car is on the right side like it should be :^) , hanging my butt off the saddle to the right, and kind of pushing hard on the bars (kind of motocross style). Hard LH turns, I move my ass way back and hang off to the left to help keep the back wheel planted. I don't need to do it as much with the Goldwing, but still do it a bit - seems to reduce the pucker factor
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:19 AM   #7
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I'm with BeeMaa. My sidecar companion is a gun dog, and though Barley looks meek and mild-mannered, he his the bane of small animals. The dog lunges after every squirrel, rabbit, and occasional bird. In my early days when I was just learning to fly, his left hand lunges took me by surprise a couple of times and it's a miracle of Body English that we didn't flip!

So call me a wimp, but my norm is to shift weight forward and out for right hand turns, back and out for left.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:01 PM   #8
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And the LOOK, I'll betcha got the LOOK too?
She has a mirrored face shield, but I will assume yes...I got the LOOK.
Although I couldn't see her eyes, we do have an intercom...
I'll let you imagine how that went.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:32 PM   #9
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Also with BeeMaa. I always shift/slide my arse when turning as a matter of habit - I slide to 3 o'clock off my seat on right turns and 7 on left turns (with tub on right). (Shifting to 7 on my Ural seems to make front wheel skip across turns - not sure why the Ural behaves so differently. Any thoughts about this?)

Also agree with Scott in Shoreview. I find throttle control and artful use of front brake absolutely critical for tub side turns. In most right turns, I find myself using just my right hand controlling the throttle and brake while "hanging out" near the tub.

Because of all the shifting and sliding on my seat, I no longer wear my sticky motorcycle pants/suits on my rigs unless cruising long distances. I find jeans easier for shifting and sliding.

With all the shifting and moving around, I find driving a sidecar much more physically demanding than riding on 2 wheels. My recent trip to the twisties near Suches, GA required extra doses of ibuprofen.
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:59 AM   #10
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Also agree with Scott in Shoreview. I find throttle control and artful use of front brake absolutely critical for tub side turns. In most right turns, I find myself using just my right hand controlling the throttle and brake while "hanging out" near the tub.

With all the shifting and moving around, I find driving a sidecar much more physically demanding than riding on 2 wheels. My recent trip to the twisties near Suches, GA required extra doses of ibuprofen.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:39 AM   #11
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Uk, so left hand chair also.

I keep the chair empty and it's light too. I aim to fly the chair whenever possible, especially in fast left hand sweeping turns. Because it's fun and perfectly controllable.

If things are getting a bit too lairy, I lean into the chair and open the throttle wider, it soon calms down a bit.

If you're getting nervous everytime the chair goes light, you need to practice some flying.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:32 AM   #12
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with my naked GL1100/ EML rig and maybe only 3K worth of sidecar experience. I have found with my rig set up properly and if I stay within the speed limit on turns I never have the pucker factor, exceed the SL and it seems to cause me to have lots of issues I don't want or need. So Ive decided to follow the speed limits in the twisties so I don't soil my Aerostich. Oh and I do a lot of leaning also
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:28 AM   #13
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with my naked GL1100/ EML rig and maybe only 3K worth of sidecar experience. I have found with my rig set up properly and if I stay within the speed limit on turns I never have the pucker factor, exceed the SL and it seems to cause me to have lots of issues I don't want or need. So Ive decided to follow the speed limits in the twisties so I don't soil my Aerostich. Oh and I do a lot of leaning also
I've always maintained the idea that the posted speed limit in curves is posted just for sidecarists. If I push it like I can on 4 or 2 wheels I find it can get a bit hairy. Wandering into the oncoming lane is something I'd rather not do that's for sure.

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Old 04-28-2012, 10:10 PM   #14
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Hanging off right moves the combined CoG toward the right, increasing tipover resistance. Carrying ballast in the sidecar will also result in the combined CoG being more within the tipover triangle, but ballast adds mass that makes acceleration and braking more sluggish.
Thats from
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A combination with a low CoG will have better tipover resistance than a taller outfit.
Which helps explain why the Panther-outfit behaves differently. Of, course all this material (from Cycle Sidecar) depicts RHS-Sidecars.
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Old 04-28-2012, 10:13 PM   #15
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Cheers guys, more good answers from fellow sidecar nuts. Many thanks, Rob
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