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View Results: Please vote your situation & mileage AT FAILURE or multiple failures
NO failure - current mileage 0 - 20K miles 176 46.32%
NO failure - current mileage 20K - 40K miles 88 23.16%
NO failure - current mileage 40K - 60K miles 20 5.26%
NO failure - current mileage 60K+ miles 0 0%
YES - one failure at: 0 - 20K miles 11 2.89%
YES - one failure at: 20K - 40K miles 47 12.37%
YES one failure at: 40K - 60K miles 21 5.53%
YES one failure at: 60K+ miles 7 1.84%
MULTIPLE FAILURES 10 2.63%
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:35 PM   #91
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Nope. The bike has no built in way to provide a voltage warning.
I saw the yellow warning triangle but it was far too late to be a real warning. The bike was dead about 30 seconds later.
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:54 PM   #92
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When the electrics start to die is the warning lol.

Mine was the ABS light. Then the gauges died. About 2 miles later I was coasting to a stop at an off ramp.


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Old 08-02-2013, 05:49 PM   #93
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Did anyone get some kind of warning that there is something wrong with the charging system?
I would expect that the yellow warning triangle would provide a warning.... But it didn't....
This doubles my disappointment for BMW.
What makes this extra crazy is that the "information" line of the display on the BMW G 650 XCountry can display system voltage ....

It would seem an easy piece of programming to add that as a display option for the twins with the OBC.
The display automatically toggles to the temperature option when things drop to near freezing ...
Wouldn't it be nice if it would toggle to the voltage display if system voltage dropped below (say) 13.5V ?

I recommend an aftermarket voltage monitor!

Here's the one I used:

http://f800riders.org/forum/showthre...mp-GPS-adapter
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:20 AM   #94
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What makes this extra crazy is that the "information" line of the display on the BMW G 650 XCountry can display system voltage ....
Are you sure? I wasn't able to find it in the manual.
I do agree though that it would probably be just a matter of BMW dropping a few extra lines of code in the OBD and then we would get a warning that the "unstoppable" bike is about to become stoppable.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:47 PM   #95
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Did anyone get some kind of warning that there is something wrong with the charging system?
I would expect that the yellow warning triangle would provide a warning.... But it didn't....
This doubles my disappointment for BMW.
If you have some way of monitoring the battery voltage you will be able to recognize the signs that the stator is failing.

This is what I noticed over a week of riding to work. Round trip to work roughly 75km.

1-You will notice the battery voltage at idle dropping into the twelves.
2- One or two days later. You will notice the voltage only gets up to the 14v level when at 4000rpm and higher. Below 4000 the voltage will fluctuate between resting voltage high 12v and low 13v.
3- A day or so later You will then notice even at high rpm 4000 and higher the voltage fluctuate between resting voltage 12.5v and 14v
4-and finally you will notice no increase in voltage no matter where you are in the rev range. Your voltage will be at resting voltage around 12.5v with engine running and start to slowly drop. Now you have 1-2 hours depending, before you will be stranded. If you unplug your head light you may be able to extend the window at this stage.

I was able to realize I had a problem at stage 3 and thus avoided being stranded. The key is to recognize what voltage you bike is usually at through out the rev range and then watch for the signs above.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:46 PM   #96
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My first warning was the information display going bonkers and the ABS light coming on. But I rode on for another 120 miles, and the bike finally died when I came to a stop light. I probably could have run the tank dry otherwise.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:51 PM   #97
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My first warning was the information display going bonkers and the ABS light coming on. But I rode on for another 120 miles, and the bike finally died when I came to a stop light. I probably could have run the tank dry otherwise.
We were going through a construction area with flag girls stopping us for extended periods. Mine failed shortly after starting the bike repeatedly over the space of 15 minutes.
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:27 AM   #98
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Are you sure? I wasn't able to find it in the manual.
I do agree though that it would probably be just a matter of BMW dropping a few extra lines of code in the OBD and then we would get a warning that the "unstoppable" bike is about to become stoppable.
The voltage display was on one that I did a test ride on back in early 2008 ...
I only remember it because it was the first time I'd even been on a bike with the OBC and was flipping through the functions and thought it was cool...

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Old 08-04-2013, 06:28 PM   #99
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Are you sure? I wasn't able to find it in the manual.
Yep, my XCountry does show voltage. Trip 1, Trip 2, voltage, and timer. However, it also flashes "1998" on boot up if anyone knows that that means...
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:34 PM   #100
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Yep, my XCountry does show voltage. Trip 1, Trip 2, voltage, and timer. However, it also flashes "1998" on boot up if anyone knows that that means...
Sorry I don't know about the 1198, but thanks for confirming that I have at least one marble left in the bag....
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Old 08-05-2013, 07:45 AM   #101
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Question: I have seen my voltage drop from high 13s to high 12s while riding at high RPMs.....
How do you know if it is the stator starting to go or the battery going bad?
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:33 AM   #102
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With all that paranoia I ordered a voltmeter from advmonster
Stupid question but since it'S a 3 wire system do I need to put two cables on the battery and the third one on the headlight wiring or is it more complicated than that?
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:47 PM   #103
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With all that paranoia I ordered a voltmeter from advmonster
Stupid question but since it'S a 3 wire system do I need to put two cables on the battery and the third one on the headlight wiring or is it more complicated than that?
The way it is worded at least on the website is a bit screwy if you ask me ...

http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/hst...Categories.bok

"Three wire connection: Red power, Blue voltage signal, Black ground

Wiring allows the voltmeter to measure a different source than what is powering the meter. Connect power and ground to a switched connection and the meter will turn on with your vehicle."

If it were me I would connect:

* black to ground/negative terminal of battery
* blue to the positive terminal of battery
* red (I think "power" means power that actually runs / turns the meter on and off) to the switched power line of the GPS connector in front of the battery or to headlight if you prefer.

color-code for GPS connector can be found here:

http://f800riders.org/forum/showthre...mp-GPS-adapter
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:55 PM   #104
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Question: I have seen my voltage drop from high 13s to high 12s while riding at high RPMs.....
How do you know if it is the stator starting to go or the battery going bad?
I'd say something is going bad that's for sure, but I would not jump to conclusion that it is the stator without doing some checking ....

Could be stator, R/R, maybe battery, or bad connections somewhere ...

Some nice diagnostic guides here:
http://www.electrosport.com/technica...agnosis-center

Good stuff in this thread also:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...77&postcount=5

Good luck hunting it down, it can be tricky sometimes ...
One of the guys here had a R/R that would intermittently freak out...
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The way it is worded at least on the website is a bit screwy if you ask me ...

http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/hst...Categories.bok

"Three wire connection: Red power, Blue voltage signal, Black ground

Wiring allows the voltmeter to measure a different source than what is powering the meter. Connect power and ground to a switched connection and the meter will turn on with your vehicle."

If it were me I would connect:

* black to ground/negative terminal of battery
* blue to the positive terminal of battery
* red (I think "power" means power that actually runs / turns the meter on and off) to the switched power line of the GPS connector in front of the battery or to headlight if you prefer.

color-code for GPS connector can be found here:

http://f800riders.org/forum/showthre...mp-GPS-adapter

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