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Old 08-02-2012, 10:15 AM   #166
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Output shaft oil seal

While riding in the high desert of Oregon we had the same failure with a friend's DRZ. We were considerably farther from help and interesting times ensued, so life could certainly be worse.

Later, back at the bat cave, a new seal was installed and the problem has not re-occurred.

After multiple failures like your bike, I would be forced to consider the possibility that the PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) system is malfunctioning. The hoses that connect the crankcase to the airbox (vacuum) need to remain clear of debris and as open as possible. Any restriction can potentially build up pressure and assist the seal with departing the case. Since you NEED to trust that the seal will remain installed, you could also try some sealant (like Yamabond) around the outside of the seal to help secure it, but don't get the sealant in the seal lips.

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Old 08-02-2012, 02:25 PM   #167
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While riding in the high desert of Oregon we had the same failure with a friend's DRZ. We were considerably farther from help and interesting times ensued, so life could certainly be worse.

Later, back at the bat cave, a new seal was installed and the problem has not re-occurred.

After multiple failures like your bike, I would be forced to consider the possibility that the PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) system is malfunctioning. The hoses that connect the crankcase to the airbox (vacuum) need to remain clear of debris and as open as possible. Any restriction can potentially build up pressure and assist the seal with departing the case. Since you NEED to trust that the seal will remain installed, you could also try some sealant (like Yamabond) around the outside of the seal to help secure it, but don't get the sealant in the seal lips.

Best of luck and keep riding
Sounds like it has been fixed, Suzuki have admitted to an oversize machining of the countershaft sprocket hole thus have produced an oversized seal and retainer, my only concern is that if it blows down the track we have a very specific seal so we are going to order another seal and take it with us.

I checked all the breathers etc and so did Suzuki only to them 100 working well, same blow by as my bike as well so nothing unusual other than the wrong hole dia.

X fingies we are good to go, picking Chiwi up tomorrow then off down hwy 3 the crows next hwy.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:03 PM   #168
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Sounds like it has been fixed, Suzuki have admitted to an oversize machining of the countershaft sprocket hole thus have produced an oversized seal and retainer, my only concern is that if it blows down the track we have a very specific seal so we are going to order another seal and take it with us.

I checked all the breathers etc and so did Suzuki only to them 100 working well, same blow by as my bike as well so nothing unusual other than the wrong hole dia.

X fingies we are good to go, picking Chiwi up tomorrow then off down hwy 3 the crows next hwy.
Hi Andi, remember that Aquaseal stuff that I mentioned, you should carry some, then if your oversize seal blows out you can glue it back in with the stuff... It's also great for repairing boots, riding gear, seat covers or whatever you can think of as it seems stick to just about everything...

Kandi and I much enjoyed meeting and riding with you and Ellen, ride safe and be leery of those shortcuts...

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Reminds me of an old penguin joke

"Looks like you you've blown a seal mate", "nope, (as he wipes his mouth) just had some ice cream.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:21 PM   #170
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Good stuff guys! Vancouver Is looks like a neat place.

Rosie's old Super Sherpa spat the cs seal out like that once too. I think I superglued the new one in which seemed to work. Hopefully David's KTM gave your other Suzuki a few tips on being reliable while they were together

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Old 08-03-2012, 01:02 AM   #171
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"Looks like you you've blown a seal mate", "nope, (as he wipes his mouth) just had some ice cream.
I like that , "Looks like you you've blown a seal mate", When i was in Alaska in 09 riding the Cagiva Elephant I was heading 2 Homer and stopped at Alaska Leather to a oily boot and puddle of oil . The seal in behind the cam drive had fallen out , Barb said '' Dont worry , take my Beemer . It was an experience riding the Elephant but a DR 6fiddy is so much better . Cheers Toddy
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"Looks like you you've blown a seal mate", "nope, (as he wipes his mouth) just had some ice cream.
You're terrible Muriel!!

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Good stuff guys! Vancouver Is looks like a neat place.

Rosie's old Super Sherpa spat the cs seal out like that once too. I think I superglued the new one in which seemed to work. Hopefully David's KTM gave your other Suzuki a few tips on being reliable while they were together

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Superglue won't work with this one Clint she is a gonna, see below.

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I like that , "Looks like you you've blown a seal mate", When i was in Alaska in 09 riding the Cagiva Elephant I was heading 2 Homer and stopped at Alaska Leather to a oily boot and puddle of oil . The seal in behind the cam drive had fallen out , Barb said '' Dont worry , take my Beemer . It was an experience riding the Elephant but a DR 6fiddy is so much better . Cheers Toddy
Ok, the low down is that Ellens cases have been bored oversized by Suzuki so they are owning the problem and will be fitting new cases to her bike, a temporary fix has been performed and thus far all is well.

We have now exited Canada for the final time so are on our zig zag of the USA.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:10 PM   #173
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Hi Andi, remember that Aquaseal stuff that I mentioned, you should carry some, then if your oversize seal blows out you can glue it back in with the stuff... It's also great for repairing boots, riding gear, seat covers or whatever you can think of as it seems stick to just about everything...

Kandi and I much enjoyed meeting and riding with you and Ellen, ride safe and be leery of those shortcuts...

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Heya David, cheers mate, real pleasure meeting up and riding with you and Kandi ... and even the shortcuts

Gotta find the Aquaseal, tried a few places but none, can you tell me where you got yours please? ... go on!!
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:38 PM   #174
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Salt Spring Island

The big trip to Salt Spring Island was to meet up with Alberto and Naomi from Taking The Road South blog http://nomi-beto-adventures.blogspot.ca/ and Canada To Argentina on ADV http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...ighlight=naomi

Coupled with their trip information and budgeting stats they were very instrumental in helping Two Moto Kiwis fly ... and here we are.

Naomi was away at work so our original date was abandoned, luckily Chiwi got the guts ache and delayed our Vancouver departure by a week or so, just the week we needed for Naomi to finish work, come home for two days then off on their next adventure ... we could tell you about that but we would have to kill you!!

On the ferry across



As timing would have it we arrived the same night Naomi was meant to come home however her flight was late thus she missed the Ferry crossing, no worries, we still had another day in between.

So we met Alberto, Graham (Naomis Dad) and Nina (Naomis Mum), they greeted us with open arms and gave us Naomis old bedroom for our stay and a NICE hot shower.

They said you can take a shower if you want (I reckon it translates to please take a shower 8-)), a wash and dry, new gruds and T shirt and we were as flash as Michael Jackson, a red wine was presented and duly accepted along with some very nice nibbles. We talked of travel and bikes .... something we are getting good at.

For us to be sitting there and chatting was one of the big boxes ticked for our TMK journey with originally the only reason to go to Vancouver to meet Alberto and Naomi. Of course this changed when we were invited by David an expat Kiwi who became our saving grace with assisting Chiwis medical issues and being able to meet Grant and Susan Johnson even given Grants medical issues and David on Vancouver Island who led us astray which was so cool and of course Cindy who helped us with her tent, map and info and a place to stay for a night so we could get our sht together and organised.

Susan, send Grant back under warrantee, we are getting new cases under warrantee for Chiwi so maybe that is all Grant needs. 8-)

Vancouver (and Islands) then turned out to be a very eventful part of our trip, not sure which order to thank you all in so I won’t ... just a big thank you across the board as everyones help, hospitality and warm welcomes made the trip for us in which started out less than ideal with Chiwi.

Back to Salt Springs again now, the following day after arriving Alberto went to Vancouver and met Naomi, he had to go to town anyway so it worked out well, Ellen and I slept in, got up to date with our writing and went to town for a coffee and wonder round just to take the place in, I felt straight away I could live there with ease.

There is Ural Sidecar rides too, groovy bike.



We also bought ingredients for Ellens famous Sushi (or Shushi as it is called on the mainland), on the way home we went to a thrift shop, I bought sun glasses for 50 cents and a belt for a buck so we really boosted the local economy.

Graham took us up a mountain track early evening which was an excellent work out rewarded with magnificent views.



Ellen and I with Graham and the dog called Enfield



Alberto and Naomi arrived soon after we got back, greeting and hugs to Naomi returning home from work and meeting us for the first time.... and she didn’t even run away.

Another excellent evening of Kiwi made Sushi and red wine we had locally brewed by VISA, a mid night finish was had despite it being a school night for Graham .. honourary Kiwi being first to get there and last to leave .. on ya mate!





The following morning Alberto was changing his rear tyre for a better one, being Kiwi I had to be a part of DIY, with two of us on the job it was done in no time, my oil was change was due as I had clicked over 10023 miles so Alberto and I jumped in the car and went to a local shop, in no time I had my oil changed and my air filter washed and re oiled, ready to race under 80 km/hr.

The afternoon continued with a ride on Albertos F800GS, Alberto took Naomis bike, wee cruise around the Northern part of the Island to Southy Point, we then headed for home and picked up Ellen for a quick trip up Mount Maxwell, again spectacular views and a neat ride.



On our return we shed the riot gear and turned into humans, a quick trip into town to meet Steve another fello ADVer who lives there, he owns a Liquor Store and bar and shouted us a round and a roady over chats of bikes and travels.

It was part of the deal for Ellen and I to shout Alberto and Naomi a coffee or beer or something as a token of appreciation for the trip info help so we all stopped off at the local store and bought Nacho stuff and big Water Melon and another bottle of wine.

As our Ferry was 6.15 am departure it was a 5.00 am start, the evening was rounded off by the sound of closing panniers and zips ready for the early start.





On board



We did make the Ferry and on exiting the Ferry crossing we stopped for a group photo and group hugs, Alberto and Naomi with their input with trip stats etc gave us a solid grounding for budgeting and of course with pics and write ups as good as they did we almost didn’t need to go!!!



Huge thanks and a real pleasure to meet you guys.
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:20 PM   #175
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Heya David, cheers mate, real pleasure meeting up and riding with you and Kandi ... and even the shortcuts

Gotta find the Aquaseal, tried a few places but none, can you tell me where you got yours please? ... go on!!
Hey that stuff shouldn't be hard to find, usually sporting goods stores or outdoor stores carry it... I picked up my last tube from the local Co-Op hardware store...


Tube looks like this...


I used the stuff to add a shifter patch to my favorite adventure boots...



I guess you must of hit some uncomfortable heat in your last few days because it has been pleasant here, usually when that happens it means it's baking every where else...

Adventure beckons, those Saltspringers are way behind on their last ride report and they're off again, I look forward to the rest of the story and a new writeup from them...


Ride safe, report often...

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Have a great ride. I hope to catch up with you along the way!
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:29 PM   #177
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Have a great ride. I hope to catch up with you along the way!
Heya Randy, got ya PM there mate (just been busy writing things up) and yeap definitely catch up, look forward to that.
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Vancouver Island To Creston To US Border

After saying goodbyes to Alberto and Naomi we sent them on there way on the secret adventure which they can tell you about and we carried on to the border crossing destination Mt Baker Motosports again hopefully for the final time.

At the border we were grilled by the friendly border guard who was full of jokes and happiness, we did get through easy enough as we had nothing of interest to them anyway.

On arriving at Mt Baker Motosports Luke lead us through the situation in which Suzuki are owning the problem having machined the cases oversized. They will be supplying new cases and will pull the motor and fix it which will be done in Fresno when we catch up with a buddy who lives there.

Mt Baker Motosports were very good to deal with and fixed thing as good as they could to ensure the seal stays put until the new cases arrive. We left Bellingham back over the border and were grilled by a nice lady who was full of jokes and happiness too, she must be related to the other guy, they seemed to be from the draught horse family ....draggin their hoofs and with long faces.

We arrived at Davids (Kiwi Cannuck) place to repack, regroup and spoon on the K60 Heidenau front tyre on my bike as the Trail Wing was spent and getting very dodgy.

Cultus Lake was to be the new destination for the night as we headed east toward Glacier Park along the Crows Nest highway (Highway 3),

On the way we were treated to four Vincents parked on the side of the road ... one of which was a hybrid of some descripts, still camera worthy tho.









Also a lake which took our interest, cool shapes.





Crows Nest Highway was nice but a quick stop at Mc Dees in Osoyoos to have cold coffee netted a better plan through a back road beside a lake, this was to turn out to be a great training ground for Ellen, Chiwi performed well and so did Ellen ... go girl.





This road went from Trail down to Seven Mile Dam and along the lake, neat wee ride and STINKIN hot, spot the soggy Asian....actually the whiteifoo camera man was just as bad



We stayed the night at a neat camp after Chiwi got too hot and lay down for a rest only 10 meters out from camp so I had to right her and encourage her to come right into camp .. mission accomplished.





Swims and food down we sat around a camp fire with marsh mellows the size of footballs, supersize me supreme and they were beautiful with a biscuit wrap and chocolate ... must be a Canadian thing eh.



Some of the beautiful rock work along the river.





Following morning we had a leisurely pack up and wondered on our way turning left right on the border at Nelway (didn’t wonna meet draught horse 3). This took us back out to the Crows Nest again and on to Creston and down to the border for the final time to exit Canada, a place that we will miss for sure.

On our exit from Canada we arrived at the Eckhart border, this guy obviously wasn’t part of the draught horse family as he was a dude, we were asked sensible questions and given great information from a guy who was actually interested in our shenanigans.

Farewell to Canada for the final time (on this trip), the most of Canada was simply outstanding and we loved it, could I live here hell yeah.

Chur fellas ,will see you again.
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Going To The Sun .....

Managing to escape Canada (with reservations about leaving) and finding ourselves in the USA it is on to the next groovy location, destination Glacier Park.

We continued down Highway 95, turned off left onto Highway 2 then 508 into the back and beyond, stunning road that got narrower with less traffic as we carried on, perfect. This road took us through various small shingle roads and tar seal roads, we thought we were lost but turns out our navigational skills had improved so we should have trusted our own judgement first off.

Koocanusa Lake was our destination to camp that night however we stumbled across a small camp ground at Caribou Creek, there was only two other neighbours.

The family that was staying there had two VW campers and a MG car... not very American you lot!!!, Cath came out and promptly shifted her MG so we could park Hobbit and Chiwi and welcomed us in, totally cool, this will do us down to the ground!!



We had set up and organised ourselves when Thingymajig (sorry I can’t remember your name) pulled up on a 6 cylinder 1500 Valkerie Honda with a camper trailer, great setup you have mate (Ellen was specifically told not to get any good ideas)







He joined us and Toms family for a fire and coupled with some red wines and a chats we had a great evening, subject of discussion was my Star Wars Yoda chair and how I managed to fit my man bum into it ...... does this chair make my bum look big??

The following morning we set off toward Whitefish for supplies etc after watching the girls go fishing for breakfast.



Cath (sp) if you read this can you email the picture of us standing on the road with your big breaky catch, ta twomotokiwis at gmail dot com

This bridge appeared .... quite a big bridge for such a back road ..... it then on to Glacier National Park, it was 103 F or 39.44 C for us normal people so just warm enough.





On arriving at the park we purchased a National Park Pass as we will be in and out of the parks throughout our US part of the trip, next thing was to find lodgings for the night so we went to the information centre, the place was packed with people pouring in and out like bees from a beehive, the only campground showing up as available being 40 miles away at Lake Bowman so off we went to get there before it filed up.

Now.. we have two directions, Mrs.Garmins and the Park map ... who to believe as they both showed different stuff.

Sensibility won over on this occasion and we used the Park map, this turned out to be an adventure in the making as some roads had been blocked by slips so it was combo to get to camp, Mrs.Garmin then sent us down a goat track in which a local agreed we should go that way... I don’t think he liked us.

From shingle road to dirt track to gravel lump to quad track we came upon a dry creek, the only way through was down across and back up, I knew Ellen did not have the skills so I did the riding part, only another 50 meters and we were back on relatively normalish shingle roads, this then took us into Bowman Lake a neat ride in itself and good practice for Ellen standing on the pegs on loose gravel, powder, rocks twisting and turning up and down.





This was camp for the night and look at the map to see what to do, the following morning we rode up to Kintla Lake and Ellen decided it was good enough for a swim, we mulled around for a while then made our way back down the road to hit the main attraction Going To The Sun.







The road was choca and it turned out to be a snail ride in a line of hundreds of cars...literally. Smoke filled the air from some wild fires further south but the views were still amazing, we stopped about half way up to have some lunch and pics still very very hot, spot the Harleys near the bottom of the pic.



Waterfalls everywhere there was so much to choose from to photograph, then right on the road side... very cool indeed.





Just a bit further up there was major roadworks so it was down to one lane and a sit in the cue, we only had about a 10 minute wait of the possible 30 so that wasn’t too bad... did I mention it was hot...warning moobs







Unfortunately from there was stop start stop start ride the clutch bla bla bla so not much fun to the top.

Stopping at the top the people were like ants all over the place so it was a quick stop and carry on down the other side to Highway 2, on the way down we were treated to seeing a young grizzly having a chomp on berries, nice looking animal he/she was.





We continued round the bottom of the park on Highway 2, Devils Creeks was the next destination to set up camp, was some soggy sweat filled gruds, socks and tees.



Wifi was on our list of wants at this point so we could update our ride reports and get some emailing done to sort Chiwis case change, just up the road from the camp is a cool pub with Wifi so everything came together.

ADV rider came to the rescue as we contacted shezonit (a Dudette from the tent sign up ) and she kindly took Two Dodgy Kiwis in, just happened a Hotrod show was on the weekend so our timing was mint.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:57 PM   #180
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Hey guys! it was so awesome to meet you both. It was a pleasure to have you for a few days @ our casa here on the island we're back from our adventures ...just a bit bruised from all the falls...... but had a wicked time riding for the last week or so.

Glad to hear Chiwi is back on the road and that you are each riding your own iron horses & zig-zaging your way south!

Ride safe and let us know if you need anything.

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