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Old 05-09-2012, 05:14 PM   #16
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Naked BMW

The guys who want a competent bike and no more might be worried by BMW's reputation for super expensive parts and servicing. The guys who buy super expensive BMW fashion bikes either have the money to ride a long way and not care about the costs; OR aren't planning long trips on their $20,000 GS which they hope has high resale value after innumerable trips no firther than Starbucks.
For the money there are lots of competent capable bikes and for less money there are even more competent capable bikes with less expensive back up.
I'm a BMW type rider who has rented lots but doesn't look likely to ever own, and an R would be my kind of bike...
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:24 PM   #17
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I think the replies are good and as close to the "truth" of the matter as you can get. I loved mine and I also would love to see the 1200S/ST still offered or a new RS. I am another that tends to seek out the "poor" selling bikes for some reason.





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Old 05-10-2012, 02:12 PM   #18
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I understand it sells very well in Europe.
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:57 PM   #19
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I understand it sells very well in Europe.
So does the XR1200 :(
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:15 PM   #20
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Now this is a bmw rider: 15k bike with $100 luggage hanging off of it.



Reminds me, I saw a K1600GTL with an airhawk seat cushion on it the other day. $30k for a bike; can't scrape up $300 for a decent seat.


BMW sells bikes to people who want a BMW. Given the tractor motor and the money they charge, I'll continue shopping elsewhere.
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:53 PM   #21
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Most of the guys I know that buy BMW are serious about riding and put lots of miles on. They tend to prefer touring bikes with bags and and a fairing with good reason. The R1200r is a nice bike but I don't see a big market for it. Naked bike riders tend to buy cheaper, lighter bikes. More bang for the buck. Guy that have the bucks generally want all the bells and whistles. There are good deals on them if you can find them and they are a very good all around bike.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:03 PM   #22
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The same issue pops up all the time about the RS/ST, and I have always thought that the problem is that the RT and GS do everything so well that for many riders there's no reason to get a different model. And the GS is a benchmark design to boot.

But I like BMW's orphans, and Ducati's (i.e. the ST2 and Paso).
I demoed the R1200ST and thought it was awesome. Thank God the market was there to tell me what a dumbass I was!
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:19 PM   #23
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$17000 or more OTD . Is that reason enough not to buy a naked bike? I can buy a new Triumph Tiger 800 and have enough left over to buy a one or two year old light, fast and economical Japanese inline 4 or twin to beat around the city on.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:51 PM   #24
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If BMW wants to sell R1200R bikes, they better start spending some $$$$ in product placements so the general public can see James Bond, the Terminator, the Transporter, and maybe CarrotTop riding them. Then a guy can walk into the BMW showroom to buy an R1200R because he fantasizes about all the women with whom he will score because he rides the cool guys' motorcycle.
They tried that with the R1200C in the James Bond Movie



It was gone in what 3 years due to poor sales.
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:12 PM   #25
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wow grainbelt , You do have many more posts than me so I will try to learn from you how to better enjoy my hobby of the last 47 years. BTW, would you give me some $, my bike doesn't need anything right now, but my next one may need a new seat or something and I wouldn't want you to be worried that I couldn't afford to install a proper one you would approve of.

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Old 05-10-2012, 05:28 PM   #26
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Lighten up, francis; just some light-hearted ribbing.

My somewhat serious answer is that the F800 series took over the naked spot in the lineup and by comparison the R12R is heavy and expensive.

The above comment about Triumph's presence is spot on; not only the tiger, but the Bonnie for the more relaxed riders.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:39 PM   #27
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the price.

Compare what you get on an FJR or Concours in that price range. Then there's the numerous reliability issues BMW has had over the last 20 years or so...
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:50 PM   #28
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Not sure but I LOVE mine.

Also tank is not that bad. I got 300 km on my last tank.

That's a great looking bike. Saw one at the local dealership in the black / stripe combo and it stopped me in my tracks.

IMHO, the R1200R is the unsung hero of the BMW lineup. It's a good all-rounder with plenty of oomph for the real world. If I didn't have an S2R 1000 in the garage, it'd be an R1200R.

Why doesn't it sell? Perception. It's not as dead sexy as Italians, but it works far far better (and less fussy). It's also 'percieved' as more expensive, but in reality it's less costly in total ownership compared to others in its class.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:53 PM   #29
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An ex R1200R owner. Its a great looking bike, light and nimble. I did a couple of long trips (600 mile days) . Long days in the saddle would give me very painful knee cramps, I just couldn't get comfortable. One reason I went to a GS.

I miss her though.
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Old 05-10-2012, 06:55 PM   #30
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Really, this again?


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