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Old 05-10-2012, 10:16 PM   #31
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I learned to ride just before the Army sent me to Egypt so I had to put buying a motorbike on hold. I have not decided exactly what I will get when I return home to help me become more proficient at riding, but if that was not at issue my short list of dead sexy bikes would be the R12R or the Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:23 PM   #32
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Didn't realize it was such a rehashed topic. This model is 2 years old in its current incarnation.

Weight-wise, it's 437 pounds w/o fuel. Is that heavy? I thought that was light.

Well, one way or the other, it's the bike I chose for better or worse. I was very excited to get it and in my enthusiasm I was unable to understand others lack of it.

It does all I ask of it, short or long trips, highway or twisties, and it is light and nimble, stable and powerful.

The right windscreen and some handguards, the tank and cylinder heads give plenty of protection, at least IMO.

I tend to believe it has more to do with the fact that it is not a specialist, like the GS or the RT. That and the fact that it's not perceived as sexy, especially when compared to an inline three or four cylinder sport touring bike.

Not so expensive either. A full size HD would have cost more and given me way less, but that's no revelation.

Truth be told, I sat on a 2010 version in a showroom two years back and it fit me so well that I was sold on the spot and saved up ever since. Lower foot pegs would be nice, but I'll put some miles on it before I do that, give it a real assessment first. I put the Wonderlich rear view mirror extenders on it this evening, can't wait to check 'em out tomorrow on the road.
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Old 05-10-2012, 10:56 PM   #33
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Just read an MCN article comparing the R, Aprillia Tuono, and MV Brutale... from 2007. Cracked me right up. They thought the R was a better bike, but didn't "arouse their passion". Therein lies the problem. My wife traded her 2008 Ducati S2R 1000 for an 07 R. She hasn't stopped raving about it yet. Her comments on the Duc, "I love the way it looks, but it's a miserable bike to ride". After watching her struggle with it, we checked out a used R. She's 5'10" and is a perfect fit. In the last 3 months, I have seen her riding skills and confidence increase more than the 3 years she had the "lusty Italian". Most people want a motorcycle for the lifestyle (H-D, Ducati, sport bikes, and yes, BMWs). An R, on the other hand, seems to go home with people who just want to ride the piss out of it. Full disclosure: I have an 07 GS. This is my fourth boxer, and will be with me for a long time. I put 43,000 miles on my 04 GSA in 2 years, traded it for an RT (before the wife got her license), and regretted that decision. I'm 6'5", so I got the GS because it fits, and it's perfect for my riding style. I think of it as an R on stilts. No, I don't think I'm going to be McQueen, or the fat guy with the TV series. Boxers (and Hex heads in particular) just answer all the right questions for me. Why does the R not sell? The same reason you find people posting questions on this forum about lowering a GS...
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:26 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Snapping Twig View Post
Not so expensive either. A full size HD would have cost more and given me way less, but that's no revelation.
A HD bagger isn't exactly an inexpensive motorcycle, and setting aside the price of entry, those bikes don't really compete with each other. So yes, it's less expensive than a Road King, but that doesn't make it inexpensive by any stretch.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:19 AM   #35
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I'd buy one

Too expensive new, a great bargain used.
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:23 AM   #36
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The biggest problem with the RR is that when you add windscreen, bags, and other farkles, you have a price point that is the RT. I know, having owned the release day bike of the 2007 model RR, one of only two in Louisiana in November 2006. It ended up looking like this with 26,000 fun miles:

Then one day, while it was in the shop for its 24000 mile service, I started riding a demo RT with all of 2 miles on the odometer, and ended up putting 2300 of the 2500 demo miles on it, including the first 350 miles of break-in which I did in the two days the RR was in service, then bought the thing:

So now, if anybody wants a great RR at a good price, it is at BMW Motorcycles of Baton Rouge looking like this:

In all, the RR is a fun, quick bike that is very good for a lot of different uses. After doing a lot of riding on the RT, I came to the conclusion that, for my kind of riding, the RT is a better choice at this point. As great as the RR was, the RT is better in most all respects.

There are a lot of discussion threads discussing the low weight vs. the RT which is true: It is about 80 pounds lighter. There are also a lot of comments about the RT being top heavy and hard to maneuver at low speed, which I do not find to be true. The RT is actually very nimble, easy to maneuver at low speed, and a joy at high speed and in the twisties, easily as good as the RR with much better wind protection. There is a reason the RT-P version is such a popular police motorcycle worldwide

There are also a number of comments that the RT is a hot bike to ride in southern climates. I have been riding in mid 90's temps and do not find it to be that bad, as there is sufficient wind flow to keep you cool with appropriate riding gear. It is not in the same league with the naked RR with its open to the air riding position, but it is comfortable for me even in the high heat and humidity of south Louisiana. When the rain starts, run the windscreen up and you do not look like a drowned rat when you arrive somewhere.

I would definitely purchase another RR if I had multiple bike syndrome, but the 2011 RT will be a long term keeper for me.
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:39 AM   #37
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It doesn't sell well because Ducati sells the monster and triumph sells the speed an street triple
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:50 AM   #38
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You cannot successfully market a "weird" looking bike in the US. We are strictly a missionary-position country. When the Ducati 999 was introduced church attendance skyrocketed.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:21 AM   #39
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I would fall squarely in the demographic for this bike - mid-thirties, over the sport bike phase, good income etc.

HELLO!???! It's $16,000 for a naked. Sorry, ain't no way in hell that's going to happen. For four grand more I can have a K1300S HP. For three grand more I can have a R1200 Rallye or whatever it's called. For $14,500 less, I can get a Nighthawk 750...
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:28 AM   #40
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It doesn't sell well for the same reason the ugly girl with the leg braces and the midget arms doesn't get asked to the prom.

She may be a very comfortable ride and one hell of a lot of fun once you get to know her, but DAMN, how do you get past the goofy looks and high cost of maintenance?
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:34 AM   #41
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Most "R" buyers are going to put on a windscreen and bags, plus a bunch of other farkles (gps, etc) and at that point the GS makes for a much better touring platform, is more comfortable, and has some real all-road capability. Resale on the GS is also very good, and it sucks on the R. The R does everything pretty well, but doesn't really stand out in any way. The GS has evolved into practically it's own brand, and BMW has done a brilliant job of marketing the adventure-rider lifestyle of the GS. The R just falls between the cracks in the BMW lineup, and definitely doesn't have the drama of a Speed Triple or a Monster. This isn't a knock on R buyers, but it just seems to me that many of them are guys who are simply too short or small to feel comfortable on a GS, or it's the "wife bike." In fairness, other than the other two bikes I mentioned, naked bikes are not big seller here in the U.S., and I saw quite a few R's in Europe.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:46 AM   #42
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If I had another $4-5K or so I would have bought one instead of the 800R.
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:16 PM   #43
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If I had another $5K or so I would have bought one instead of the 800R.
Same here, except I bought a used R1100s instead. If there were a decent R around when I bought the S, I would have seriously considered it (though I do love my S). I really like the looks. In fact, many non-riders think it is one of the better looking bikes (at least the people I asked when I was in the market). I don't mean to offend anyone who owns one, but to me the RT is the funny looker of the bunch. The fairing just makes the bike look too big for its wheels, almost like a giant scooter in proportions.
I think part of it is a lack of promotion of the bike on BMW's part, which is sad because the R is the closest to classic BMWs in my opinion.
Most buyers of this category tend to be younger, and are less concerned with the overall ride and more easily distracted by other factors, price being one of them.
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:12 PM   #44
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Love mine... but then most everyone here loves their bike of choice. Snapping Twig - if you haven't checked out you should. Good group with some good info on the R

What sold me on the R was the comfort, looks, and ability to do what I wanted it to do well. Lot's of folks tried to get me into the GS - but I simply don't like the way they look and I didn't find it as comfortable. I don't ride trails or off-road. Dirt and gravel is no problem ... check out threads by LostRider and see what he's put his R through

Face it - lots of people buy whats "cool" and the GS is cool. Why are there so many Wranglers on the "road" and in city/urban areas ... it sure ain't the gas mileage! Once you add in a screen, luggage, lights, handguards, crashbars, etc... you're likely better off going with a GS (or RT if you prefer tarmac) but that doesn't diminish the capability of the R.

So why don't they sell? People buy what people see. Plus they are a lot more $ for what you (can) get compared to other nakeds.

I really like my bike - 10k miles so far and still am impressed. Bone stock, just the flyscreen and no intentions of changing anything yet. If you like the R, then it is a great choice. Ride on
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:54 PM   #45
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When I can get financing I'll walk into the dealer and buy the R1200R Classic, until then I'll keep hoping for a used one at a good price.

I rode an R1150R and an R1100RT years ago. The RT was a good ride but seemed boring to me. My father put around 30,000 miles on it. The R model I rode had a fly screen and hard bags. I was impressed and have wanted one since.
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