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Old 05-27-2012, 01:09 PM   #61
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I have a 1990 gs100rs I rode it for the last 18 years it broke down only once i bought a pick up truck to bring it home ,
an electric diode board gave out kinda rotted away over the years . I bought the bike used 27000km on it ,it now has 108000 km on it a lot of those are off road its has bean a great bike and still serves me well .
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:19 PM   #62
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No Slam...But 30 miles?

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What Tagesk wrote....

Please be more specific so we can read the ride reports of the competitors machines that apparently cross this same area problem free and perform well on the remaining 19,970 miles.
That is funny.....19,970 remaining miles..

I respect the gentleman's post but was chuckling when I read: "The R1200GS is, in my opinion, not up to it. When we were in Pakistan we were faced with a 30 mile stretch of no roads, no backup, no support. That's when you take a good, hard look at your motorcycle."....30 miles of no roads, no backups, no support have you fearful of your bike stranding you? Everyone has their own "comfort range" and I suppose this person's is 30 miles.

No big deal but if you were talking 1,000 miles of no communications and no support that would warrant a careful assessment of your risk tolerance...but 30 miles? I do also recognize you were two up so you are also responsible to some degree for your passenger. In the long term, big people make big decisions and it appears you came through fine...sounds like a cool trip.

Bottom line is doing what you can and not worrying about the rest. Enjoy the adventure. All adventures by definition have attendant risks; finding your balance point is the key to a positive experience.

Oh yes, the time in my opinion to evaluate the suitability of your motorcycle for the chosen adventure starts before you depart and is an on-going process. You hit that 30 mile stretch and then asked the tough question. You obviously decided you were 'good to go'. And you were correct, the GS got you through.

But hey, "I could be wrong"!
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:28 PM   #63
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After 4 BMWs, I succumbed to the fear of the possible and bought a Honda. I never had any real problems in over 100,000 miles on the Beemers. A Hall sensor, 2 fuel strips, a front output seal on my K1200R. Only the HES stranded me.

I love the ST1300, I'm really enjoying it, but I can't call my BMW experience a bad one and I can't cite much in the way of trouble. I'll likely own another in the future.
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:35 PM   #64
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I'm waiting for Tuesday to hear back on a final price for an RT that I have lusted over for far too long. That being said, 29% of the R 1200 bikes that entered the 2007 IBR had final drive failures without anyone (fanboys or corporate) acknowledging a problem. Please put down the kool-aid. Sure everything mechanical breaks, but c'mon how about an objective look.
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Old 05-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #65
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I've been wanting another GS for a few months so came back to ADV to start my search. I'm amazed at all the broken bike threads! I don't have thousands of $ to upgrade/modify/FIX a factory GS. So my enthusiasm is quickly draining for a bike, that while it has a loyal following, appears to spend more time down than being ridden!

So, should I drop my hunt for a GS/A and just go with the Yammie Tenere.......my enthusiasm for things German is fading.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:00 PM   #66
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You guys really, really, really don't get it. Obviously we're not sharing a common frame of reference. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. If you can't understand the feeling of facing a 30 mile stretch of mud and rocks in a place with no medical care, no possibility of spares for your bike where you have to keep up with an armed escort vehicle and cross at least 50mph because of possible bandit attacks then i can't explain it to you. To illustrate the point I met dozens of bikers on the road on my travels. I met 8 RTW bikers and at many more on shorter journeys. I didn't meet one person on an R1200gs. Why, because everyone who was undertaking an adventure had come to the same conclusion I had. That bike is not up to it. The bike class I encountered was generally the same as I was riding.
And, Tagesk, I'm not talking about the 1150, judging by your pics that's clearly rider error, not the bike. Good luck, guys and enjoy discussing your delusions in the local coffee shop.

And just for fun... I met an Australian RTW. rider. He and his mate went out on BMW 800gs's. Both died many, many times and by the time they got to England one of them gave up and the Australian swapped the BMW for a Tenere and had no further mechanical issues during his ride back to Australia. (17 breakdowns). But now I'll get the full spectrum of stupid comments about 800s not being the same. Well since they stopped making the 1150 they've been increasingly unreliable. BMW stuff in extra junk and gadgets, ABS, electronically adjustable suspension, heated seats, grips, variable exhaust valves, etc. That's why people who use these bikes hard have stopped using them at all. The R1200gs is the coffee shop cruiser to replace the Harley.
I have a friend who loathes both the bikes and the riders. To prove a point he's spending 6 months of his life riding Malaysia to England on a Honda C90. The point I can't get across to him or you guys is those bikes are philosophically the same. They could, theoretically do it but they're too extreme. They're opposite ends of the spectrum and neither is a sensible choice because of it. On the other hand, his entire trip is costing him less than a second hand R1200gs and at least he's achieving something. The people I hate are the ones on bikes brimming with accessories and when you ask where they've been on it they look away and get embarrassed. I've met a lot of them. Guess what they were riding...?

And for the information of people who don't appear to be able to process it properly, I wanted a BMW R100gs for my trip. Unfortunately I couldn't justify the extremely high price they now demand. (Most people here would mock those for not having enough power or not being comfortable enough or having enough gadgets.) In the end, the bike I took served me well. In my opinion it's the true spirit of the GS. It's a go-anywhere bike built to handle anything and she did. But she's no boxer. I tried them. Didn't work for me.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:11 PM   #67
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Good grief folks, posts 2,3,4 covered it and the OP was hip to the jive.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:14 PM   #68
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You guys really, really, really don't get it. Obviously we're not sharing a common frame of reference. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. If you can't understand the feeling of facing a 30 mile stretch of mud and rocks in a place with no medical care, no possibility of spares for your bike where you have to keep up with an armed escort vehicle and cross at least 50mph because of possible bandit attacks then i can't explain it to you. To illustrate the point I met dozens of bikers on the road on my travels. I met 8 RTW bikers and at many more on shorter journeys. I didn't meet one person on an R1200gs. Why, because everyone who was undertaking an adventure had come to the same conclusion I had. That bike is not up to it. The bike class I encountered was generally the same as I was riding.
And, Tagesk, I'm not talking about the 1150, judging by your pics that's clearly rider error, not the bike. Good luck, guys and enjoy discussing your delusions in the local coffee shop.

And just for fun... I met an Australian RTW. rider. He and his mate went out on BMW 800gs's. Both died many, many times and by the time they got to England one of them gave up and the Australian swapped the BMW for a Tenere and had no further mechanical issues during his ride back to Australia. (17 breakdowns). But now I'll get the full spectrum of stupid comments about 800s not being the same. Well since they stopped making the 1150 they've been increasingly unreliable. BMW stuff in extra junk and gadgets, ABS, electronically adjustable suspension, heated seats, grips, variable exhaust valves, etc. That's why people who use these bikes hard have stopped using them at all. The R1200gs is the coffee shop cruiser to replace the Harley.
I have a friend who loathes both the bikes and the riders. To prove a point he's spending 6 months of his life riding Malaysia to England on a Honda C90. The point I can't get across to him or you guys is those bikes are philosophically the same. They could, theoretically do it but they're too extreme. They're opposite ends of the spectrum and neither is a sensible choice because of it. On the other hand, his entire trip is costing him less than a second hand R1200gs and at least he's achieving something. The people I hate are the ones on bikes brimming with accessories and when you ask where they've been on it they look away and get embarrassed. I've met a lot of them. Guess what they were riding...?

And for the information of people who don't appear to be able to process it properly, I wanted a BMW R100gs for my trip. Unfortunately I couldn't justify the extremely high price they now demand. (Most people here would mock those for not having enough power or not being comfortable enough or having enough gadgets.) In the end, the bike I took served me well. In my opinion it's the true spirit of the GS. It's a go-anywhere bike built to handle anything and she did. But she's no boxer. I tried them. Didn't work for me.
Well said, and good for you finding what works for you. If a Honda works for your range of touring, fair enough and happy trails. Personally I don't know enough about FD failures to make a call one way or another. I've just got a '12 GS, and have been happy with the 07 which preceded it. Solid as a stove.

If it comes time to replace that mare, and 'if' BMW has their rumored water Boxer, I'll be doing much of the same objective rationalizing as you. Once BMW goes water cooled, I'd wager to say they're no further from a KTM twin, only mounted crosswise, and that would need to have some serious test rides.

Or. . . .go retro and see how cheaply, with the most fun I can ride the planet. In the meantime, I'm having fun on the old Boxer. Love it because of that weird payout and air / oil cooling. Never had anything break, then again it's a simple machine and many of my bikes respond well to proper care.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:56 PM   #69
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You don't have to know much to compare cost of ownership. The cost of a one year extended warrenty on an 07 GSA bought me 5 years of extended warrenty on a Super Tenere. The insurance companies did the math for me. Really miss the extra gas on that GSA!

Good luck on your decision... Be happy with your ride.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:42 AM   #70
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You guys really, really, really don't get it. Obviously we're not sharing a common frame of reference. I'm not going to spoon-feed you. If you can't understand the feeling of facing a 30 mile stretch of mud and rocks in a place with no medical care, no possibility of spares for your bike where you have to keep up with an armed escort vehicle and cross at least 50mph because of possible bandit attacks then i can't explain it to you.
You sound like Ewan and thingy......

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Old 05-28-2012, 02:54 AM   #71
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And, Tagesk, I'm not talking about the 1150, judging by your pics that's clearly rider error, not the bike. Good luck, guys and enjoy discussing your delusions in the local coffee shop.


Oh well - since you didn't understand the question, I will rephrase.

I understood, you were (are?) on a 20.000 mile trip. Somewhere along your journey, you had your hard look on the bike and decided you didn't trust it. Whether you were facing a 3 mile or 30 mile road isn't important.

My question is this: What made you change your mind? If I understood you correctly, you decided to ride on a 12GS, you had no issues, but still you changed your mind. Why?

As a side note: I showed you pictures of my bike on the road not to show of my riding skills. I am sure you understand that a dropped bike is not a good sign, and user error is obviously correct. Thus you should ask yourself: Maybe the message was another?
When other inmates write things that doesn't make sense, my humble advice would be to consider the issue again rather than jumping on the gun.

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Old 05-28-2012, 03:48 AM   #72
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Just had lunch in chamonix. Saw 9 other 12GS's in town. None appeared worried but we are not real riders and refuse to understand the problem.
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:12 AM   #73
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Tagesk, no. I bought an R1200gs, a Triumph Tiger, A pegaso, Pegaso cube, Pegaso 660, BMW F800gs, KLR650 and a Honda Dominator to try them out for this trip. I used them all pretty hard offroad to see if they had the balls for it. The R1200gs made the offroading easy but the weight means if you get into trouble you can't so much but let the bike go down. The Tiger was just a piece of crap, as was the Pegaso 660 with the Yamaha Tenere engine. I have never hated bikes more than these two. The R1200gs grew on me but it just kept playing up. At one point I went to chat with an engineer about upgrades and he took a pause when i told him what I was doing. It was obvious he knew something I didn't. Anyway, in the end I did a lot of homework and I settled on a machine I really can trust.
Another point is, I like boxers. I jut don't like the R1200gs. I like riding it but I would never want to own one again. They're too much trouble. For my ends, the R100-R1150 might have been ok, certainly more comfortable.
In Europe the 1200 is everywhere. You know the sorts, they're shiny and new and the guy riding them is in the worst possible kit you can imagine. These guys are the ones the bikes are marketed to. They're sold on credit, BMW make a killing on the finance, they get the bike back and get more on the second hand market than it cost to build. It's win-win. These guys don't own the bikes and can't even afford decent gear. They rarely use the machines hard and BMW love it. They get the reputation that sells the bikes without have to live up to it any more.
Anyway, I don't ride a Honda. I met a guy who did, he crossed South America on a BMW R1150gs and then the middle east on a Honda Africa Twin. He hated it, he wanted another BMW. The guy I rode with had an R1100gs before and this time had a KTM990 adventure. What a sack of crap that was. Died on us in India, I had to tow him. That thing failed in so many ways and couldn't keep up in the dirt, not even close (carrying too much weight.)
Actually I have ride a BMW but the right one for my job. I do admit I'm talking from the perspective of a long distance traveller who's taking her on a tour of SE Asia next month and then South America next year. I do accept that not everyone needs that from a bike but i do.
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:17 AM   #74
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Guys, guys... guys, guys, GUYS... you really, really, really, really, no really, don't get it... no you really, really, really, don't. No REALLY!

When you find the perfect bike that will never strand you under any circumstances let us know, I'll be in hell serving frosty beverages...
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Tagesk, no. I bought an R1200gs, a Triumph Tiger, A pegaso, Pegaso cube, Pegaso 660, BMW F800gs, KLR650 and a Honda Dominator to try them out for this trip. I used them all pretty hard offroad to see if they had the balls for it. The R1200gs made the offroading easy but the weight means if you get into trouble you can't so much but let the bike go down. The Tiger was just a piece of crap, as was the Pegaso 660 with the Yamaha Tenere engine. I have never hated bikes more than these two. The R1200gs grew on me but it just kept playing up. At one point I went to chat with an engineer about upgrades and he took a pause when i told him what I was doing. It was obvious he knew something I didn't. Anyway, in the end I did a lot of homework and I settled on a machine I really can trust.
Another point is, I like boxers. I jut don't like the R1200gs. I like riding it but I would never want to own one again. They're too much trouble. For my ends, the R100-R1150 might have been ok, certainly more comfortable.
In Europe the 1200 is everywhere. You know the sorts, they're shiny and new and the guy riding them is in the worst possible kit you can imagine. These guys are the ones the bikes are marketed to. They're sold on credit, BMW make a killing on the finance, they get the bike back and get more on the second hand market than it cost to build. It's win-win. These guys don't own the bikes and can't even afford decent gear. They rarely use the machines hard and BMW love it. They get the reputation that sells the bikes without have to live up to it any more.
Anyway, I don't ride a Honda. I met a guy who did, he crossed South America on a BMW R1150gs and then the middle east on a Honda Africa Twin. He hated it, he wanted another BMW. The guy I rode with had an R1100gs before and this time had a KTM990 adventure. What a sack of crap that was. Died on us in India, I had to tow him. That thing failed in so many ways and couldn't keep up in the dirt, not even close (carrying too much weight.)
Actually I have ride a BMW but the right one for my job. I do admit I'm talking from the perspective of a long distance traveller who's taking her on a tour of SE Asia next month and then South America next year. I do accept that not everyone needs that from a bike but i do.
If you purchased 8 motorcycles in preparation for an around-the- world trip, I would suggest you're in a different economic category than the majority of us. I salute your willingness and financial means, but I do have to wonder, perhaps out of ignorance, about your approach.

Rather than buy, not borrow for a test ride, 8 motorcycles, why wouldn't you just address the most obvious shortcomings of the bike that most closely matches your needs? Say, a GS with some custom work and special attention to the rear drive, without ABS as well perhaps, and none of the ABS, ESA, ASC, TPM, etc. that can get buggy in heavy conditions. I can't say for sure, but I gotta think someone, somewhere, can go through a GS drive unit and ascertain the correctness of assembly and the quality of the bearings and seals, at least enough to rule out existing defects before you set off. But I'm rambling, and truthfully I am not in your league in terms of experience in real conditions. Very few are.

All that said, yeah, GS's are largely accepted as very good sport tourers that look rugged (or fugly if you will) and as such they really do a fine job. That last bit of marketing overreach has definitely blown back on the Motorrad, at least among riders who talk about it. Can't see it in the sales numbers, though. And maybe the Starbuck's does taste just a little bit better when one is taking in a view that includes the shade of oak trees, soccer moms, college girls, and a just slightly Tourateched R1200GS.
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