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Old 06-09-2012, 10:20 PM   #556
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Give up BMWzenrider. You are talking chalk and cheese. The number of Urals in the U.S. with over 100,000 km can probably be counted on one hand. Ural owners boast of putting 30,000 km on their outfits in TEN years. Garage Queens and outfits used for their purpose are two different things. It's no wonder that so few Urals don't have major failures in their warranty period - few bikes fail in the first 10,000 km. The limited service intervals don't affect most Ural owners as it's a six monthly thing for most of them.
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:20 PM   #557
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I can afford international travel when about all it cost me is a plane ticket. I was a GUEST at the homes of the folks I stayed with so it was a very cheap trip. If that trip got your attention, I am leaving for Australia on July 20th, I'll be there for a month, again as a GUEST. If folks invite you into their home it really doesn't cost much, the type of trip that bokad is on is something that I would never be able to afford. I guess maybe that was lost on you when you quoted my posts.

And what pray tell does any of this have to do with buying or not buying a Ural, talk about inconsistencies......................
I never said it had anything to do with buying a Ural, and you know that.
Your interjection there is called the "Straw man" argument. Trying to divert the discussion from the subject by calling out, "Hey look over there!"

As far as your travels, I really don't care one way or the other.
(and I don't often miss much, so it is never a good bet to assume that I might have...)

BUT, when you make a statement in order to add emphasis/weight to your argument (or subtly slam the OP for his expensive vacation), and then you twice in the same thread contradict yourself, I feel that it should be pointed out. Are you claiming that I misquoted you?

And there are plenty of inmates who wouldn't have enough money for the airfare, even if they had free room/board & fuel waiting for them when they arrived.
However, I don't recall any of them trying to score points by claiming not being able to afford something, and then telling everyone about having just done it.
See the inconsistiency now?

And remember that I predicted you or someone else would take issue with pointing it out?
What is wrong with simply admitting that you, at the very least, exagerated things in the earlier post for the sake of emphasis or to get your dig in?
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:55 PM   #558
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I just drove my 09 Ural from NH to Long Island 2 days ago using nothing but highways. I had no problem doing 70+ mph the whole way.

I would be much more worried about taking a fiberglass tuna boat strapped to my motorcycle off road. That thing would be destroyed in about 5 minutes.
Different strokes for different folks.
Something that I believe I tried to point out at several points in my first post...
I also said several times that my comments were my personal opinion, and yet the 'loyalists' still managed to take it intensely personal.


I have bottomed out/bashed the chin of my "tuna boat" more than a couple of times in rough dirt/gravel and all it did was leave a scrape on the air dam. Have also high-sided the belly of the sidecar on exposed rocks in the trail as well with nothing more than some scraped paint. This isn't some thin & fragile racecar body, it is HEAVY glass and it flexes on impact rather than fracturing.

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I stated MY OPINION about not feeling safe to be running so close to the upper edge of the performance envelope in fast and heavy traffic.

I also distinctly remember saying:
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If you have no problem with that sort of stress, more power to you...
So, what was your point???
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:59 PM   #559
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If you have no problem with that sort of stress, more power to you...
I drove longhaul for many years and I'm familiar with what traffic is like in all the major metropolitan areas, I know for a fact Seattle is very typical of the worst cities.

It seems some folks tend to forget that a persons current vehicle is most likely not the only one they have owned, and their opinions are not based solely on just that one.
I have been driving vehicles of all types that are as slow or slower than my Ural for years, not just trucks, but personal vehicles like vintage jeeps, old VW's, a Yugo, and bikes like a Ducati 450, DT400, XL250, XL125, CL450 and others.
I have also had some fast bikes and cars, I fully appreciate that slower vehicles do require some additional thought and effort at times, but nothing to stress or get upset about.

I will admit that it would occasionally be nice to have a little more power, but nice is the operational word, not "need". The "need" for speed and power is mostly about ego, desire, and convenience, not any actual "need".

I understand that my needs and desires are not representative of others, or a statement of fact. I'm not an expert nor do I play on on TV, but in 4 years of riding a Ural as full time transportation I have a fairly good idea of their limitations and abilities so when when someone claims it can't do something I do on a regular basis, I have to call BS.

I really like your rig, it's one of the nicest street orientated rigs I have seen, and I know it would run circles around my Ural on the street. I also know your rig can't possibly do some of the things I do with my rig, I don't think I would care for the time and expense it requires to maintain and repair in the long term, and it was in fact significantly more expensive for you to build than my Ural cost to buy, so it wouldn't be a good fit for me.
I could nit pick it from my perspective if I wanted to, but why? Your happy, thats all that counts, and it's not a contest about whos rig is the best.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:18 PM   #560
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Give up BMWzenrider. You are talking chalk and cheese. The number of Urals in the U.S. with over 100,000 km can probably be counted on one hand. Ural owners boast of putting 30,000 km on their outfits in TEN years. Garage Queens and outfits used for their purpose are two different things. It's no wonder that so few Urals don't have major failures in their warranty period - few bikes fail in the first 10,000 km. The limited service intervals don't affect most Ural owners as it's a six monthly thing for most of them.
I have put just shy of 70,000km on my Ural in 4 years, and there have been some brutal miles thrown in, It hasn't been perfect, it has limitations, but in the 20+ bikes I have owned it has been by far my favorite.

Whats wrong with that?

I know a Harley owner who lives and breaths the lifestyle, he rides maybe 2000 miles a year, and he's happy

Whats wrong with that?

The fact is the vast majority of motorcycle owners of all types are nothing but occasional recreational riders.

Whats wrong with that?

I have a great appreciation for the technical knowledge and history you have shared, but I don't understand why you have such a strong disliking for Ural enthusiasts.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:30 PM   #561
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I have a great appreciation for the technical knowledge and history you have shared, but I don't understand why you have such a strong disliking for Ural enthusiasts.
I am not seeing a dislike for Ural owners/riders/enthusiasts. What I am seeing is someone who started off being dispassionate about Urals and was pointing out realisms that he could see.
Along the way the Uralists (as usual) started to take everything personally as if he was insulting each and every one of you personally.

It aint so.
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:58 PM   #562
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The fact is the vast majority of motorcycle owners of all types are nothing but occasional recreational riders.

Whats wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with having a motorcycle that's a crutch or a penis replacement - but when they say that nothing's ever gone wrong with their Ural in three years and they only have 6,000 km on their outfit, you have to view their comments in that light.

I don't know what my milage is. Once I worked as a courier (dispatch rider), I was doing 50,000 plus km a year. I used a BMW 800, others were using Dnepr 650s. Other idiots were using big Jap fours. One friend was using a Honda 250 and making more money than the rest of us.

I drove trucks interstate. Here that means at least 1,000 km a trip. When idiots screwed that I went and worked for a company driving trucks and trailers under 8 tonne combined. No log-books, no time limits and only the edict - sleep when your tired.

I know a little about distance and travelling. Urals are reasonable machines - screwed over only by myths and idiots.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:18 AM   #563
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I get about 3500-4500 miles out of a $75 pusher tire, I average 10k-12k miles a year. How many years can I ride before my tire costs equal the cost of a car wheel conversion? Maybe around 5 years?
Please see this new thread so that we don't get too far off topic:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=798498
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:33 AM   #564
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There's nothing wrong with having a motorcycle that's a crutch or a penis replacement - but when they say that nothing's ever gone wrong with their Ural in three years and they only have 6,000 km on their outfit, you have to view their comments in that light.

I know a little about distance and travelling. Urals are reasonable machines - screwed over only by myths and idiots.
All fair and reasonable statements, anybody who claims a Ural rivals contemporary motorcycles in reliability and performance deserve to be called out, but if they claim their Ural has been better than some of the bikes they have owned then how can one really pass judgements their statements? And to be fair myths and idiots are not limited to Urals, not by a long shot.

There have been times when folks have made erroneous statements and your corrections have been fairly caustic, particularly when they are Americans.

I know I'm dumb, I don't need to be reminded.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:08 AM   #565
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Gee... why isn't anyone quoting and commenting on this post of mine from this thread?

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Glad that you are enjoying it for what it is!

I really want to love one, but I just don't think that I have that kind of time/love to invest in a machine.

But isn't it great that we have the choice?!?!
And glass just completely glossed over this part of my reply to his posting:
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Glad that you are enjoying your new bike and it is working for what you want
And went straight to feeling personally attacked for his choice of ride.

Why all the hate?
In every post where I discuss my perspective on the virtues of Ural ownership I have gone out of my way to say things like "IN MY OPINION".
{Go back and look for it, and that post is completely un-edited, even though I have noticed at least two typos which are driving me batty!}

I even pointed out that there are reasons why someone else might choose to buy one.
And that your personal choice is fine with me.

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Is nobody allowed to not want a Ural?
When did bowing down to the gods of Irzbit become manditory in this forum?

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Can anyone point to a single place where I have said that someone was wrong for choosing to buy ANY bike that they wanted?
In ANY thread???

The subject of this thread is reasons to NOT buy a Ural, and there are considerations that need to be taken into account by anyone contemplating buying ANY bike, not just a Ural.
For many owners maintenance costs and intervals ARE a valid consideration in the buying decision.
I was contributing my perspective (my opinion) about how a Ural sidecar combination compares to other options that are available.

I was contributing what I felt to be information which might help someone make an informed decision before purchasing, since I actually DID seriously consider owning a Ural not that long ago. I actually HAVE ridden several different Ural sidecar rigs, and not just around the block. (Yes, I have had one in 2wd on a trail as well.)
{I do recall mentioning the fact I had seriously considered a Ural in my first posting to this thread... How does that make me a Ural hater, or hating on Ural owners?}

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Old 06-10-2012, 01:10 AM   #566
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Hey Scott, what's the difference between a K750 and a K750M? That question came up on RI awhile ago....
A K-750 is the original KMZ bike that had a shorter frame and the very old leading link fork like the M-72H. The K-750M is the most common model of K-750. It had a slightly longer frame with telescopic forks. I think the plan was to stretch the bike a little to fit in the longer Dneprmatic gearbox w/reverse, but they never did. There were some sheetmetal changes and small things like changing the brake/clutch levers to conventional ones and the cylinder end-piece heat-sinks were changed.
Go here and click forward through the pictures and you can get a visual idea of the differences:
http://www.sovietsteeds.com/gallerie...lbum=12&pos=32
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:11 AM   #567
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All fair and reasonable statements, anybody who claims a Ural rivals contemporary motorcycles in reliability and performance deserve to be called out, but if they claim their Ural has been better than some of the bikes they have owned then how can one really pass judgements their statements? And to be fair myths and idiots are not limited to Urals, not by a long shot.

There have been times when folks have made erroneous statements and your corrections have been fairly caustic, particularly when they are Americans.

I know I'm dumb, I don't need to be reminded.
Trying for the subservient position achieves nothing. Am I caustic towards Americans - of course - stupidity should not be glorified or accepted. Do you disagree. Myths should be broken and idiots identified. Unfortunately for you the U.S. attempts to meld the world in a way it wants. It's wrong and its unacceptable.

It might seem strange, but the best countries in the world are "Crowned Republics".
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:20 AM   #568
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Well look at the bright side,
The rigs you have are not common here, and your K-750M is not common anywhere, If things keep going the way they are you will be a rich man. ,


No doubt the MB-750M/K-750M are the coolest socialist boxers ever built.
Ooops.
I think you got 'em backwards. The K-750M was the most common model of the 1WD K-750. The late 1950's K-750 with the leading link fork is the rarest of the 1WD models. It doesn't matter, I have one of each!
(Actually a K-750B is probably THE rarest. It was the old bike outfitted w/ machinegun mounts for the military.)
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:25 AM   #569
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Where they stock carbs?
Contact Ben at this link. He speaks English and is trying to get the higher quality parts at a good price. He has stock carbs listed at $53.

http://www.sidecarpro.com/Body_frame...cessories.html

Chris
Thanks. I can't see the photos (thanks to the Army computer nazis) but the prices do look to be a lot more reasonable than others I've seen, esp. the ones on eBay.
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The early BMW final drives on the dual-swingarm bikes are totally bulletproof and never fail other than the drive splines eventually wearing down after a couple of 100k. And I was able to swap final drives from any number of different models of both earlier and later editions to tailor my gearing to exactly what I wanted. With a 3.56 gear in the back end vs. the stock 2.91 it pulled slowly up steep sections when fully loaded pretty well. And there is even one ratio lower if you don't think that is enough.
So you can easily 'tune' your gearing to your desired usage, on/off road.
The Rooskies offer a range of FD gears from 3.50:1 to 4.62:1 as well. Plus, Ural/Dneprs have reverse which a lot of owners of 2WD rigs say is more important to getting unstuck than locking in the 2WD.
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