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Old 06-17-2012, 08:38 AM   #766
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I hear you .

In the immortal words of Bob Dylan , " the times they are a changing " .

Without seeing the part in the flesh everything at this point is speculation ... well apart from it broke

Notice two other points of interest in the picture ?




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Why is the center stand leg on that side of the swingarm, with the tip almost perfectly aligned with the crack,and so close to the hack mount?
Is it possible that something whacked the stand tip into the weld really hard?

Here is a view of Sara the Hack's swing arm. Not the prettiest weld ever, but the stand is really pretty far away.


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Old 06-17-2012, 08:51 AM   #767
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Why is the center stand leg on that side of the swingarm, with the tip almost perfectly aligned with the crack,and so close to the hack mount?
Is it possible that something whacked the stand tip into the weld really hard?

Tell Sara she has nice studs

Now take a look at the bottom front side of the shock body , not the mount , the body .



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Old 06-17-2012, 09:57 AM   #768
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Tell Sara she has nice studs

Now take a look at the bottom front side of the shock body , not the mount , the body .



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Sara has always preferred long studs.

I don't see much at the front of the shock body, maybe bent a bit on the flange. However, there are 2 marks on the FD side of the swing arm where it looks like the shock and flange both banged into the arm. Could have been a result of the break?
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:59 AM   #769
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Wow, that has to be a new welder at the factory that likes his morning vodka. As many times as I've bottomed out mine after catching a little air, the frame bent, but no cracked welds.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:13 AM   #770
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Now take a look at the bottom front side of the shock body , not the mount , the body .
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #771
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Wow, that has to be a new welder at the factory that likes his morning vodka. As many times as I've bottomed out mine after catching a little air, the frame bent, but no cracked welds.
If I were Ilya, I'd already be on the way to the factory to lop off some heads. A Ural will always have some inherent issues because of what it is, and how it is built. On the other hand, it's not like there hasn't been plenty of posts on this forum about failures involving much more expensive custom rigs, I experienced a catastrophic rear end failure on a 6 year old Harley FLT, but like Scott pointed out Urals had always enjoyed a reputation of being virtually indestructible as a basic platform.

I understand that the few isolated failures are being blown out of proportion by those trying to prove their opinion, but this is nothing more than piss poor workmanship of an individual, totally avoidable, and totally inexcusable.

I saw somewhere that they want to kep the factory in Irbit out of loyalty, but loyalty needs to be deserved, and folks actually spending their money rather then just venting their spleen don't seem to mind that many BMW's and Triumphs are being built in Taiwan................
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:20 PM   #772
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If I were Ilya, I'd already be on the way to the factory to lop off some heads. A Ural will always have some inherent issues because of what it is, and how it is built. On the other hand, it's not like there hasn't been plenty of posts on this forum about failures involving much more expensive custom rigs, I experienced a catastrophic rear end failure on a 6 year old Harley FLT, but like Scott pointed out Urals had always enjoyed a reputation of being virtually indestructible as a basic platform.

I understand that the few isolated failures are being blown out of proportion by those trying to prove their opinion, but this is nothing more than piss poor workmanship of an individual, totally avoidable, and totally inexcusable.

I saw somewhere that they want to kep the factory in Irbit out of loyalty, but loyalty needs to be deserved, and folks actually spending their money rather then just venting their spleen don't seem to mind that many BMW's and Triumphs are being built in Taiwan................
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:49 PM   #773
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:17 PM   #774
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Look's good as is. They'll never get performance with them pushrod tube's atop.

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Old 06-17-2012, 04:31 PM   #775
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The anticipation is killing me Fonzy! Out with it already! :)
Fozzie

Blown shock seal ?.
Rough roads .
Loaded like a semi.
Driven like a D9 Cat.
Continual bottoming out .
Axel behind shock mount .
Weak/weakened/weekend weld .

*Crack*


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Old 06-17-2012, 05:52 PM   #776
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Fozzie

Blown shock seal ?.
Rough roads .
Loaded like a semi.
Driven like a D9 Cat.
Continual bottoming out .
Axel behind shock mount .
Weak/weakened/weekend weld .

*Crack*


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Not seeing it. Is there another photo somewhere with oil all over the shock? In another thread or something?
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:44 PM   #777
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Fozzie

Blown shock seal ?.
Rough roads .
Loaded like a semi.
Driven like a D9 Cat.
Continual bottoming out .
Axel behind shock mount .
Weak/weakened/weekend weld .

*Crack*


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Impossible. This is the improved Sach's shock that replaced the Plaza shock that replaced the rebuildable IMZ shock. You can't possibly mean that this QUALITY European product is not perfect? It cannot fail - it's listed as an improvement. Oh! Maybe its like the electronic ignitions, each failure replaced by another, or the alternator adaptors, or the airboxes, or even the Final Drive bolts?
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Not seeing it. Is there another photo somewhere with oil all over the shock? In another thread or something?

I might be off base .
The pic' shows the front bottom of the shock and swingarm with dust , dirt and road grime stuck to it. The rest is relatively clean and dry . Anyone that has spent any time riding on dirt will tell that even the smallest oil weep will show up . I did debate whether it was grease thrown off by the shaft .


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Impossible. This is the improved Sach's shock that replaced the Plaza shock that replaced the rebuildable IMZ shock. You can't possibly mean that this QUALITY European product is not perfect? It cannot fail - it's listed as an improvement. Oh! Maybe its like the electronic ignitions, each failure replaced by another, or the alternator adaptors, or the airboxes, or even the Final Drive bolts?

Oooohh , look Ma !!, a can of worms


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Old 06-17-2012, 07:37 PM   #780
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I might be off base .
The pic' shows the front bottom of the shock and swingarm with dust , dirt and road grime stuck to it. The rest is relatively clean and dry . Anyone that has spent any time riding on dirt will tell that even the smallest oil weep will show up . I did debate whether it was grease thrown off by the shaft .


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