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Old 06-13-2012, 11:06 AM   #76
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Here's one of my pet peeve myths

1. You need a dual-sport if you are ever going to ride on a dirt/gravel road.
Hmm kinda true, kinda not. You can ride on a dirt road on any bike- I sure did all throughout my youth... HOWEVER when I was on my last bike (CB750 with avon road treads) it was seiously no fun- the thing wandered more than an alziemers paitent with itchy feet. Not having had the same problem with my CB550 years before I asked Doc Brown (where I bought the tires.) and he said that the new tires while way better on the street were not so good with the bike on dirt- he suggested that I could go back to old style tires but I loved the way it cornered so much it seemed a waste. The new bike (TDM 850) while not a true DS is way better on the gravel and I can use 80/20 tires and still corner on pavement. So "can" you? sure. Would you want to is a different question.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:51 PM   #77
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Hmm kinda true, kinda not. You can ride on a dirt road on any bike- I sure did all throughout my youth... HOWEVER when I was on my last bike (CB750 with avon road treads) it was seiously no fun- the thing wandered more than an alziemers paitent with itchy feet. Not having had the same problem with my CB550 years before I asked Doc Brown (where I bought the tires.) and he said that the new tires while way better on the street were not so good with the bike on dirt- he suggested that I could go back to old style tires but I loved the way it cornered so much it seemed a waste. The new bike (TDM 850) while not a true DS is way better on the gravel and I can use 80/20 tires and still corner on pavement. So "can" you? sure. Would you want to is a different question.
I far prefer my KTM on the dirt but I've never turned around on the Monster when the road has turned to dirt and gravel, just slowed down a bit. I could upload video proof if I need to.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:05 PM   #78
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My favorite from non-riders regarding motorcycle safety: "It's all the idiots in cars you have to watch out for".

I should probably just write down my explanation about how most motorcycle accidents are caused by the idiot riding the motorcycle and carry around lots of copies I can hand out. When I discuss this with people, I get the sense they have never in their life heard this. They really think people cutting you off causes most accidents.

Not that it doesn't suck when that happens.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:36 PM   #79
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I far prefer my KTM on the dirt but I've never turned around on the Monster when the road has turned to dirt and gravel, just slowed down a bit. I could upload video proof if I need to.
yeah I did it... but I just figured a 72 mile route back to my hotel that mixes black top, dirt, and unmaintained roads for me and the Dirt Pony... it would have been hair-raising, bone jarring and nerve wracking on the CB, but on the TDM it's a afternoon joy ride!

Don't get me wrong, every bike has it's place and the CB was a head turner with its large metal flake oarnge tank and slightly rakish naked frame- and for eating miles on the two lane blacktop it was a joy, and great for tooling around town as she could putter along at 35-45 with no effort. The TDM by comparrison is a bit of an ugly duckling (no GS1200 by any means but still), but she eats dirt (as long as it is not mixed with water anyway) and can keep up on the slab better than the CB did.

My favorite myth- helmets make injuries more severe. Maybe like 30 years ago when they weighed a lot more but I know I would way rather be wearing my helmet than not should my head ever strike the pavement.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:44 PM   #80
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My favorite from non-riders regarding motorcycle safety: "It's all the idiots in cars you have to watch out for".

I should probably just write down my explanation about how most motorcycle accidents are caused by the idiot riding the motorcycle and carry around lots of copies I can hand out. When I discuss this with people, I get the sense they have never in their life heard this. They really think people cutting you off causes most accidents.

Not that it doesn't suck when that happens.
I have been, and still am, under the impression that the #1 accident for motorcyclists is an automoblie violating the right of way of a motorcycle.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:36 PM   #81
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I have been, and still am, under the impression that the #1 accident for motorcyclists is an automoblie violating the right of way of a motorcycle.
"More than half of motorcyclist deaths involved at least one other vehicle."

http://www.motorcycleaccident.org/mo...ssible-causes/
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:02 PM   #82
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I have been, and still am, under the impression that the #1 accident for motorcyclists is an automoblie violating the right of way of a motorcycle.
When one rides a motorcycle there is NO RIGHT of WAY. There is only Right of Weight.

It is the riders responsibility to avoid the violators and cater to how humans see things.. If they can't they shouldn't be riding IMO
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:05 PM   #83
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I was showing my Hit-Air air bag vest to a Harley rider, and how the tether to the bike inflated it when the rider got launched. He asked, "So you pull that just before you lay'er down?"


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Yep, and that lean transfers through their arm and pushes the bar to counter. The problem is that it's slower than an intentional, knowledgeable countersteer motion.
The problem is when riders that "just lean" get into a situation, they try to steer out of it. Usually they don't have time to set off their Hit-Air vest before they lay 'er down.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:22 PM   #84
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"More than half of motorcyclist deaths involved at least one other vehicle."
Actually more riders die because they don't know how to steer around corners that they have already entered too fast.

They don't know to push on the bars, they don't know how to brake in the turn, they don't have any idea how sharp their bike can turn or how to turn them the sharpest.
Panic, fixate on the guardrail / rock / pole / tree / car, or whatever, game over.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:46 PM   #85
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Actually more riders die because they don't know how to steer around corners that they have already entered too fast.

They don't know to push on the bars, they don't know how to brake in the turn, they don't have any idea how sharp their bike can turn or how to turn them the sharpest.
Panic, fixate on the guardrail / rock / pole / tree / car, or whatever, game over.
I'm not picking a side, I was just posting what I found from this article. If you have a better link, post it up.

http://www.motorcycleaccident.org/mo...ssible-causes/
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:03 AM   #86
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Here's one I didn't think I saw in here - "motorcycling is cheaper than driving". Sure it can be if you really REALLY budget or ride a scooter, but that rabbit hole just goes on and on.

Also, link is dead.

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Old 06-14-2012, 01:18 AM   #87
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I'm not picking a side, I was just posting what I found from this article. If you have a better link, post it up.

http://www.motorcycleaccident.org/mo...ssible-causes/
I think maybe my information was from a long time ago. In this day and age of few drivers even trying to pay attention, and a lot of riders not doing much better, the left turner may have surpassed the flying off the corner technique.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:47 AM   #88
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Here's one I didn't think I saw in here - "motorcycling is cheaper than driving". Sure it can be if you really REALLY budget or ride a scooter, but that rabbit hole just goes on and on.

Also, link is dead.

yes it was once
pd less petrol(gas)
less purchase price
simple, rider could fix
less rego costs
less to go wrong
cheaper road tolls
cheap tyres
parts smaller and cheaper
etc,etc

SO WHAT HAPPENED?????????
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:01 AM   #89
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yes it was once
pd less petrol(gas)
less purchase price
simple, rider could fix
less rego costs
less to go wrong
cheaper road tolls
cheap tyres
parts smaller and cheaper
etc,etc

SO WHAT HAPPENED?????????


for me i stopped drving a car as the cost of insurance was getting way to costly so i sold my car and have been on a bike since were the insurance is nice and cheap so i still save money per year even if my bike uses a bit more fuel.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:01 AM   #90
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yes it was once
pd less petrol(gas)
less purchase price
simple, rider could fix
less rego costs
less to go wrong
cheaper road tolls
cheap tyres
parts smaller and cheaper
etc,etc

SO WHAT HAPPENED?????????
Depends on your mileage per year and the vehicles in comparison...and mechanical apptituted (aka your own maintenance)

My Speed Triple next to my F-150 when I was commuting 36,000 miles a year, WAY cheaper, the fuel savings between 17 and 45mph made up for the higher maintenance costs, chain, tires (x3 rear x2 fronts).

No my commute is literally like 7k a year, I don't bother commuting on the bike a lot of the time, I live 4 miles from work, I spend more time taking gear on and off than I do actually riding....but if I was year over year, the bike(s) would be more expensive.
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