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Old 06-10-2012, 01:52 PM   #16
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Things move on, heck even Nascar uses fuel injection these days

I consider FI to be simple and reliable at this point. It's easier for me to tune an FI bike, so that checks the simple box, and it's never left me stranded so it's reliable as well.

For 2013 the Yamaha WR250R switches from Carb to FI. The price went up $100, but I doubt that is a direct consequence of the change, just the usual annual price increase.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:16 PM   #17
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The day I am forced to ride a FI bike, I will stop riding.

I sold the bike and will not buy another FI bike.
Dude, that seems extreme. You better get used to walking.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:24 PM   #18
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For 2013 the Yamaha WR250R switches from Carb to FI.
According to the Internet, the WR250R has had fuel injection at least since 2008:

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_wr250r_2008.php

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...iew-76600.html

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Old 06-10-2012, 02:26 PM   #19
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According to the Internet, the WR250R has had fuel injection at least since 2008:

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_wr250r_2008.php
That is correct. I think he's referring to the WR250F, which is going FI.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:27 PM   #20
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to answer your question, i'd expect to see alot of newly FI bikes for 2013.
yamaha did it with the xt250 and yet keep the same air-cooled motor and only added $100 to the price. sounds like a winner to me.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:27 PM   #21
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Dude, that seems extreme. You better get used to walking.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:31 PM   #22
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That is correct. I think he's referring to the WR250F, which is going FI.
that is also incorrect. it's still a carb.
since it's not street legal i bet the regs are looser. yz 250 is also carb for 13.
still many are going to wonder why carb yet another year when the 450 went FI the previous year.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr.../features.aspx

the xt250 is the bike he's thinking about
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:40 PM   #23
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That is correct. I think he's referring to the WR250F, which is going FI.
Yeah, that's what I meant...... or maybe not.... One of the little Yamahas :)
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:44 PM   #24
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Yeah, that's what I meant...... or maybe not.... One of the little Yamahas :)
I'm guessing you're referring to the '13 XT250, maybe? I think eakins mentioned it in another post.
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Just conjecturing; long before Al Gore invented the Internet, would an earlier-invented Internet have carried a topic like, "How much longer for points/coil/condenser ignitions?"

And . . . what about them new-fangled ALTERNATORS? Ain't a DC GENERATOR good enough?

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DISCLAIMER: I know, I know: Comparisons aren't the same as carb vs. FI. Only . . . HEY! Where's my BUGGY WHIP? I'm ready to go home!
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:09 PM   #26
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Today's leading edge technology is tomorrow's simple and reliable, that's progress. Cars and bikes carry a lot more technology than they did a few decades ago, and overall they are a lot more reliable. They maybe harder to fix at the roadside with just two rocks and few twigs, but they're less likely to have an unscheduled stop in the first place.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:17 PM   #27
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My riding conditions here in Colorado can vary by 8,000 feet and it always runs perfect and crisp. FI is a wonderful thing.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:44 PM   #28
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that is also incorrect. it's still a carb.
since it's not street legal i bet the regs are looser. yz 250 is also carb for 13.
still many are going to wonder why carb yet another year when the 450 went FI the previous year.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr.../features.aspx

the xt250 is the bike he's thinking about
Ok, I was wrong. It's the WR450F. Here ya go:

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...0/0/specs.aspx
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:14 PM   #29
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If I was going solo into remote area's, a carb would be the way to go.
A good FI setup is very nice though, just like a modern car, turn key on, start motor, go.
No funky hot cold stuff, automatic idle speed control, very good boost in mpg, less crap out the exhaust.

I for one am glad emissions standards have improved, I really do not like being behind an old car or truck belching out raw hydrocarbons bad enough to knock you out. Its just foul.

I find FI systems on cars or bikes easy to trouble shoot, its very simple stuff really.
A crappy designed and/or badly built system just sucks though.

You might have a carb and feel good about your bike, but I bet its got a cdi system that can crap out at any time.
Points you could clean and gap, but even then, your coil could burn out...
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:22 PM   #30
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Wow. You guys are actually comparing a FI to a carb’s reliability. Really. Come on guys.

A carb is a simple mechanical device that has very few moving parts.

A FI has a computer, fuelpump, injector, lots of different sensors and a birds nest of wiring. Sometimes it also has an interface of some sort. A simple interface to a complex system does not mean a simple system.

FI has great flexibility and great performance compared to a carb. For many, myself included, that means little. My motorcycles are powerful enough and I don’t care if the MPG’s are a little worse or better. They are very economical either way.

Why do I say FI is less reliable:

1. Gravity will not fail. A fuel pump can and will.
2. A non existent sensor(s) will not fail
3. A non existent computer will not fail
4. A non existent Injector will not fail.
5. A much simpler wiring loom is less likely to fail and is easier to fix.

Now ..I can understand the gimmick factor. I also can understand the hardcore racer or aggressive rider trying to better their time. I do understand the benefits of FI for extreme altitude changes.

But I don’t understand why the average ADV rider would want the added complexity for the little gains it offers. I suspect most do not.

Stricter emission regulation is the key here IMHO. During the last years new bikes have gone from:
Well setup carbs -> horribly lean carbs -> FI
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