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Old 09-02-2012, 06:07 AM   #91
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No one is doing it to provide "easy-use two-wheeled transportation",
they do it for the money. It can't be any simpler.
It's simple...to see who's doing it just to make a buck; and who's doing something because they believe in the product they're making.

Profit is always at the root of any business. But a desire ONLY to make money, is at the base of consumer ripoffs and outrages.

Is there a difference between what's sold by Toyota and what was sold by Yugo America? A difference between Suzuki's offerings and Tank Sports' products?
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:42 AM   #92
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium products at a premium price. They have worked hard to offer innovation and superior technology. Whether or not their products are worth the price is open to debate but enough people have thought so to keep them in business and making a profit. I see nothing wrong with BMW making a scooter. The idea that they shouldn't because a scooter is a compromise just doesn't make sense. ALL motorcycles are also a compromise. As long as the new scooter meets the expectations of what people want from a premium priced BMW, it will sell. Although I have no interest in getting a scooter this large and heavy, it's always good to see another offering in the market. Perhaps BMW will get more respect for scooters in general.

If Ducati can sell a premium priced cruiser, BMW should be able to sell a scooter.

Hmmmm, maybe we'll see a V twin powered Ducati scooter in the future??
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Old 09-02-2012, 07:26 AM   #93
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium products at a premium price. They have worked hard to offer innovation and superior technology. Whether or not their products are worth the price is open to debate but enough people have thought so to keep them in business and making a profit. I see nothing wrong with BMW making a scooter. The idea that they shouldn't because a scooter is a compromise just doesn't make sense. ALL motorcycles are also a compromise. As long as the new scooter meets the expectations of what people want from a premium priced BMW, it will sell. Although I have no interest in getting a scooter this large and heavy, it's always good to see another offering in the market. Perhaps BMW will get more respect for scooters in general.

If Ducati can sell a premium priced cruiser, BMW should be able to sell a scooter.

Hmmmm, maybe we'll see a V twin powered Ducati scooter in the future??
I never understood why people call scooters compromises of motorcycles. They both have their advantages and disadvantages over one another.

A motorcycle in many cases will be quicker, but a scooter will be easier to ride and be more practical for around town.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:11 AM   #94
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium products at a premium price. They have worked hard to offer innovation and superior technology.
That's true. But they have their level of expertise, and it cannot cover everything.

"Know your business." Harley-Davidson is very good at what they do - the knockoffs prove that; they're literally cheap imitations. BMW, likewise. For BMW to imitate the UJB with an integral gearcase, wet clutch and chain, would be like Yamaha imitating a BMW boxer.

You wouldn't buy the Yamaha boxer, at least not until it had been proven. And had the design problems worked out.

Likewise, you wouldn't buy the BMW UJB imitation - why bother?

So...why would I buy the BMW scooter? There ARE going to be problems with it; it's so alien to what BMW knows how to do.
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Old 09-02-2012, 09:02 AM   #95
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That's true. But they have their level of expertise, and it cannot cover everything.

"Know your business." Harley-Davidson is very good at what they do - the knockoffs prove that; they're literally cheap imitations. BMW, likewise. For BMW to imitate the UJB with an integral gearcase, wet clutch and chain, would be like Yamaha imitating a BMW boxer.

You wouldn't buy the Yamaha boxer, at least not until it had been proven. And had the design problems worked out.

Likewise, you wouldn't buy the BMW UJB imitation - why bother?

So...why would I buy the BMW scooter? There ARE going to be problems with it; it's so alien to what BMW knows how to do.
I have to disagree with much of what you have posted here. First, off, If I was interested in a cruiser, (I'm not), I would probably buy one of those "cheap imitations" which offer a lot more bike for the money...IMO. I'm not bashing those who buy Harley's, but that's my what I would do.

BMW's original expertise was air cooled boxer twin street motorcycles. They have stepped out of their original area many times.

BMW recently went head to head with the Japanese by building the S1000R sport bike. You could say that they copied the Japanese by making an inline four cylinder sport bike but it seems to have worked out very well for BMW and the bike has been a huge success.

How is a scooter so alien to what BMW knows how to do? Kymco makes the engine and transmission, it's not new to them. The rest of the scooter isn't that different from a motorcycle. Two wheels, similar tires, front and rear suspension, brakes. Only the frame is really different.

The only area where you may have a point is that this is a new model for BMW. I'd be concerned about buying a new model even if it was a motorcycle. BMW does have a history of reliability issues.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:32 PM   #96
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This was posted over on MV..

"Real" MSRP
We just got some new information on the Scooter pricing:

C600 Sport
Base Price: $9590
Highline package: $605 (Heated seats, heated grips, TPM)
We are assuming Dest charge will be the typical $495 (that seems to be the only variable here)
$10,690

C650 GT
Base: $9990
Highline package $605 (same options as above)
Again, assuming $495 Dest
$11,090

The only variable now is the Destination charge, which BMW puts into the MSRP. It has been $495, and I haven't seen anything showing it's been changed...
The nice thing about that is that the dealers shouldn't be adding any "set up", "handling", "freight", etc.... just your State fees (Tax, License) and a doc fee.

Wow! I think they did a great job keeping the price incredibly competitive- especially considering you get a 3 year/ 36,000 mile warranty and ABSwith that!
I'll take two!
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:39 PM   #97
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There was a time when all cars were manuals. Then someone came up with this idea of an automatic transmission and people bought up cars like crazy...

extrapolate.

p.s. I had a mini cooper in the years that BMW makes everything for it, the service is outstanding and the price is actually fair when you inspect EXACTLY what you are getting.
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:19 PM   #98
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Just received pricing.
C600 base $9590 Premium $10195 heat seats, grips, and tire pressure monitor
C650GT base $9990 Premium $10595 heat seats, grips, and tire pressure monitor

I am leaning toward a red GT Premium, but it is a difficult choice....
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I wonder if the 530 TMAX will suddenly become available in the US now.
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:58 PM   #100
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium image at a premium price.

I've had five of them. They are good products, in most instances. But when they break, and they will, you better be willing, and able, to dig deep.

You might ask if I feel this way, why have I had five. I am a slow learner.
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I wonder if the 530 TMAX will suddenly become available in the US now.
I hope so, fingers and toes crossed for that...
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:02 AM   #102
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium image at a premium price.

I've had five of them. They are good products, in most instances. But when they break, and they will, you better be willing, and able, to dig deep.

You might ask if I feel this way, why have I had five. I am a slow learner.
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BMW's strategy is to offer premium image at a premium price.

I've had five of them. They are good products, in most instances. But when they break, and they will, you better be willing, and able, to dig deep.

You might ask if I feel this way, why have I had five. I am a slow learner.
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I looked around a little, and wondered where the premium is for BMW scooters. handling? nah, its a scooter, they ALL HANDLE and are fun. its by design more FUN than motorcycles and cars.

twist, zoom, grinnnnnn

is it better quality materials? hmm, I can change my grips anytime to DS 714s and feel even better. no biggie.

drive train? nope, that's kymco, and kymco has a handle on scooters.

tires? I can swap those

where's this premium? someone please tell me (since I haven't ridden one) where the premium is on the beemer vs the others.
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I looked around a little, and wondered where the premium is for BMW scooters. handling? nah, its a scooter, they ALL HANDLE and are fun. its by design more FUN than motorcycles and cars.

twist, zoom, grinnnnnn

is it better quality materials? hmm, I can change my grips anytime to DS 714s and feel even better. no biggie.

drive train? nope, that's kymco, and kymco has a handle on scooters.

tires? I can swap those

where's this premium? someone please tell me (since I haven't ridden one) where the premium is on the beemer vs the others.
It's the badge.
Doh.


And some DO handle better then most, Tmax is a great example, the BMW
should be about the same. Still costs too much (both of them, IMHO).
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