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Old 06-26-2012, 07:12 AM   #31
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+1 on the R1200R. Loved mine:




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Either bike is outstanding, and fits your weight limit. The only real difference is that the RT is about 80 pounds heavier due to the fairings and plastic bits.

The RT is quite easy to navigate around parking lots at very slow speeds if you know the proper technique. Either bike can play with crotch rockets, and carry the same BMW system luggage.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:15 AM   #32
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If money is a factor I would say a used Honda ST (V4, electric windshield, hard luggage) or late model Kawasaki Concours. BMW's are like Harleys IMO, not bad bikes but you pay a substantial premium for the name.





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Old 06-26-2012, 07:28 AM   #33
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If money is a factor I would say a used Honda ST (V4, electric windshield, hard luggage) or late model Kawasaki Concours.

Both are over 650lbs. The OP is looking for something on the lighter side.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:28 AM   #34
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If money is a factor I would say a used Honda ST (V4, electric windshield, hard luggage) or late model Kawasaki Concours. BMW's are like Harleys IMO, not bad bikes but you pay a substantial premium for the name.





ST1300 weighs over 700lbs....another pork of a bike. Comfy tho, once you get moving.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:54 AM   #35
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the nice thing about an st or rt is you get the air over the helmet. The st i had was quiet and insanely smooth at 100 but yes quite a porker
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:24 PM   #36
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The ZZR12 I'm looking at has had some tasteful mods done by the owner to make it more touring friendly. It has LSL handle bar that makes it almost upright riding posture, higher windscreen and GIVI side and top cases painted to match the bike. Dark metallic blue that I thought ugly at first but it kinda grown on me. I'm just not sure the bike would be a keeper.
Go for a ZX-14 instead. There's one in the flea market that's all set up for touring. (No affiliation.)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803208
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:37 PM   #37
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The Z1000 is really the same as the ninja 1000 and can be found cheaper. If I still had reflexes I'd have one! Great real world do everything street bike.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:55 PM   #38
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Of course I'm partial, but both the FZ1 and DL1000 fit the description. The FZ1 would be better for the vertically challenged, is much quicker, and it is less top heavy than the DL. But the DL has a lot more room to stretch out on, and is better on rough roads. Both can be had fairly cheap, are dirt cheap to maintain, and have an extensive aftermarket.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:26 PM   #39
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Well, there is that same dilemma whenever you're thinking about a european bike -- you can compare it to something japanese that at least appears to (and might in fact) give more bang for the buck. The GSX 650F is about 70 lbs heavier and several horses shy of the F800ST, but to any given rider, that may not matter. I think it's a little on the heavy side for that engine. But regardless, it sure looks like a great value.
Both Suzuki & BMW are claiming 85 HP, & probably stretching it to about the same amount. The 800 is a good bit lighter, which I see as a big advantage, especially as the fuel weight is low & centered as opposed to the high tank in any conventional layout. The GSX 650 F gets flack for it's weight, but after 11 years on a 600 lb. Concours, it feels like a toy bike to me!
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:40 PM   #40
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I like the VFR 800 and the GSX 650F for this niche. Heavy enough to feel planted, but small enough to ride sporty. Plenty of power. Plenty of farkles. Useful. Nice to look at.


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Old 06-27-2012, 06:51 PM   #41
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ZX-14??? Hmmmm......

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Go for a ZX-14 instead. There's one in the flea market that's all set up for touring. (No affiliation.)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803208
I did some research on ZX-14 and it sounds like it may perfectly fit the bill. Mid 500 lb at the curb, huge power on tap but a gentle beast under 4000 rpm, riding posture on a comfy side for a sport bike. What not to like? I'm really considering a fly n ride.
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #42
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I did some research on ZX-14 and it sounds like it may perfectly fit the bill. Mid 500 lb at the curb, huge power on tap but a gentle beast under 4000 rpm, riding posture on a comfy side for a sport bike. What not to like? I'm really considering a fly n ride.
Take another look at the Ninja 1000 before you do. Lighter, comfier, still stupidly powerful.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:42 PM   #43
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Take another look at the Ninja 1000 before you do. Lighter, comfier, still stupidly powerful.
The 1000 is a nice bike but we are comparing:

The Company Flagship vs. Not the Company Flagship.

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Old 06-28-2012, 07:40 AM   #44
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The 1000 is a nice bike but we are comparing:

The Company Flagship vs. Not the Company Flagship.
The flagship is a big pig.
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The flagship is a big pig.
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