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Old 07-16-2012, 07:04 AM   #16
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Thanks guys. The e start I could take or leave - in fact it actually diminishes the value slightly because of the extra weight and having that battery stuck up on the number plate where I could mount an extra fuel bottle. I'd have to fix that by replacing it with a little LiFePo4 battery stuck someplace else. And that little Yamaha engine comes with an e start in some versions anywaay so it was a plug and play install I suspect. But it is sorta unique. What I really dig about these bikes though is that simple little air cooled engine stuck in a high end trials frame. Weighs 165 lbs, no premix, no special fuel requirements, no oil filter for cryin' out loud. That and nobody has a bad thing to say about them, except maybe having less ground clearance than most.

Oh well, it's my decision. If I end up with it I'll post a pic.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:57 AM   #17
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I'm no trials expert, so take this for worth. I have ridden a Montesa 4RT quite a bit. They are very nice true competition trails bikes and do everything they are supposed to. The 4RT I ride belongs to my brother in law, it is an '05, and has proven to be very reliable/easy to live with and has not required any fussy maintenance.

I also recently bought an '02 Beta alp 200. It has a 200cc Suzuki motor. While it is a fun little trail bike, it is not a trails bike. It is too heavy and doesn't have required power. The gearbox is not really suited for trials either. I suspect the Yamaha 200 Scorpa would be much the same (although it is lighter than my Alp).

If you want a real 4 stroke trials bike - find a used 4RT and don't fear the modern high techness of it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:54 PM   #18
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Why do you want the electric starter? The 200 Yam four-stroke engine is a cold-blooded beastie in bikes like the XT and TW, but it would benefit far more from time spent jetting rather than a magic button, and battery/starter have to account for at least 15-20 lbs if not more. Unless you have some sort of physical reason why the e-button would enable you to ride whereas a kick-only would not, I'd say find something cheaper.

Edit: whoops, posted before reading the rest of the thread. BTW, we have a Scorpa Long Ride TY-S200F (actually smaller according to the embossed capacity on the jug), and the bike's main virtue is that it will chug through stuff that a two-stroker has to be worked through. But the cable-operated clutch has all kinds of slop in it and the steering lock sucks because of the bigger gas tank and limiting steering stem. Makes a good extreme single-track trail bike--great for following the upper class riders around on their loop (within reason). Bona fide trials suspension and brakes, and it's barely street-legal.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:55 AM   #19
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The current owner broke his hip and couldn't kick start it. This one is the racing model with the hydraulic clutch and tubeless tires. But it's looking like the deal will probably fall through as I haven't heard back from him, and if I don't by tomorrow that's all she wrote.

Interesting that you have one ridenm. Thanks for the input.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:18 AM   #20
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I know the owner, he has been in Canada for the Superstars trial with his granddaughter. He should be home in the next few days. He is old school with no cell phone. This weekend he will be at the youth national.

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Old 07-17-2012, 08:36 AM   #21
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I know the owner, he has been in Canada for the Superstars trial with his granddaughter. He should be home in the next few days. He is old school with no cell phone. This weekend he will be at the youth national.

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Yeah. He passed through here last Monday. Nice fellow. I passed on the bike due to some paperwork issues, and a lingering reluctance to part with that much cash. He's returning through here tomorrow but I have no way to reach him unless he calls me. So - we'll see.

Classic dillema - I want the bike but not for that price. And the owner, being an old school Southern Colorado gentleman, priced it as he thought it was worth and I don't suspect he'll budge much more.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:39 PM   #22
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I know the owner and rode that bike.It is a very sweet little bike!
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:58 PM   #23
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I imagine it was. Couldn't justify the dough though.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:14 PM   #24
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I couldn't either.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:54 PM   #25
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:33 PM   #26
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This 08 Scorpa 200 4T has been 4 sale here for a while now..
offten thought it would make a great trail trials bike...
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoser...10834_full.jpg
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #27
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This 08 Scorpa 200 4T has been 4 sale here for a while now..
offten thought it would make a great trail trials bike...
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoser...10834_full.jpg
What's the asking price?
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:45 PM   #28
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What's the asking price?
$6,500 NZ.. seems a bit on the high side.. But it dose come with
long ride seat & tank..
full add below...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-496104924.htm
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:10 PM   #29
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$6,500 NZ.. seems a bit on the high side.. But it dose come with
long ride seat & tank..
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http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-496104924.htm
That works out to a little over $5100 US, which with the long ride seat and tank is a better deal than the one I was looking at over here (except for this one over here had the electric start - oh boy). And it seems like it would be a fun toy for hard trails and dinking around at trials and whatnot.The engine is supposedly dead reliable, easy to maintain, and parts are everywhere. The chassis looks top flight, especially if its the racing model with the hydraulic clutch and tubeless tires, which it probably is. But, yeah, it's a lot of money. But also, being somewhat rare, and apparently desirable, it would probably hold a good measure of its value, even if you beat it up a bit. Maybe see if he'd come down closer to $5500 NZ.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:16 PM   #30
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I picked up one of these bikes last spring and I gotta say it's about the most fun bike I've ever owned. Bought it to learn basic trials technique, but it's a ton of fun to just fart around on in the woods.
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