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Old 09-25-2012, 05:41 AM   #556
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What is the "Motorcycle Industry" definition of a SPORT TOURING BIKE?

If you look at some of the bikes sold and marketed as sport touring don't they ll ususally have full or close to full "sport type fairings"? Don't they all have a powerplant that mimicks a current or at least former sport bike? Don't they also at least offer hard bags as an option if not being standard issue?

Just because somebody rides cross country on a a Honda SL70 with a milk crate bunjied to the rear fender doesn't make it a ST bike.

I saw a guy run a MACK truck down the drag strip once... That doesnt mean it's a TOP FUEL DRAGSTER.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:36 AM   #557
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So...thinking about my next bike...what is the short list of ST's that weigh <500lbs? I've ridden the bigger bikes -- RT, VFR, Connie, FJR -- and they're great, but I don't like bikes that big.

I like just enough wind protection to eliminate helmet lift and take the pressure off the chest on long stretches...don't need the full monty windscreen.

Ninja 650
F800ST
...?
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:59 AM   #558
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So...thinking about my next bike...what is the short list of ST's that weigh <500lbs? I like just enough wind protection to eliminate helmet lift and take the pressure off the chest on long stretches...don't need the full monty windscreen.
Faired standards / comfy sportbikes: ZZR600, Ninja 650R, ZR-7S, FZ6, FZ6R, FZ1, GSX650F, SV650, CBR600F4i, Multistrada 620/1000

Actual ST bikes:

F800ST (412 dry)
VFR 800 (481 dry)
Ducati ST3 (470 dry)
Triumph Sprint ST (460 dry)
Kawasaki Ninja 1000 (503 wet, I think)
Suzuki Bandit 1250SA (504 dry)
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:10 PM   #559
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Honda NC700X...?

I didn't realize the older VFR was that light...and the Sprint ST. Why do bikes get bigger and bigger...?
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:49 PM   #560
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BMW R1200ST is only 450 lbs dry; 430 lbs with a Remus installed. Combine with 85 ft / lbs of torque, makes for some good get up and go.

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Old 09-25-2012, 01:34 PM   #561
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Real weight and power/weight ratios

The wet weight is what you really need to see. None of the later VFR-800's were "light" by my standard. For your reference, here is a quick download from my database, sorted by wet weight. Note also, the power-to-wet weight ratio. Sorting on that ratio gives a totally different picture (send email if you are interested).

BrandModelDryWetlb/HP
KTM690 Duke3263655.6
DucatiMonster 7963673724.9
TriumphStreet Triple R3954164.0
HondaNT-650 3704257.3
SuzukiSV650S3724286.0
KTMSM-T4674.1
Kawasaki650R-1st gen3834376.2
HondaCBR-600F4i3704404.0
KawasakiZZR-6003774434.8
KTMSuper Duke R4204483.4
BMWF800S4004495.3
Kawasaki650R-2nd gen3964506.3
BMWF800ST4114605.5
BMWF800GS3924605.4
YamahaFZ64234614.9
TriumphTiger 8004624.9
YamahaFZ8n4644.4
YamahaFZ6-R4706.0
KawasakiZX-9R4094703.3
ApriliaTuono 1000 R4074723.4
TriumphTiger 800XC4735.0
TriumphSpeed Triple4164773.7
TriumphDaytona 955i4214783.3
SuzukiSV1000S4104794.3
HondaXRV-750 Africa Twin4554808.0
YamahaYZF-600R4124855.4
SuzukiDL650 V-Strom4184856.7
HondaCB900F (919)4554854.9
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:35 PM   #562
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Continued...

I was past the text limit - here is the rest:

BrandModelDryWetlb/HP
KTM950 Adv4364915.1
KTM950 Adv S4364915.1
ApriliaSL-1000 Falco4184954.3
YamahaFZ14684963.3
KawasakiZ1000SX5023.7
TriumphTiger 10504365124.5
DucatiST24615146.2
HondaVFR800-Gen 54585254.9
DucatiST3s4475275.2
BMWK1200R4655303.3
SuzukiV-Strom 10004585304.8
DucatiST4s4475344.7
KTM990 Adv4605345.1
SuzukiGSX-650-F4755396.3
HondaVFR800-Gen 64705405.5
BMWR1200GS4395445.4
HondaCBR-1100XX4925474.0
KawasakiGPz900R5025484.8
TriumphSprint ST4635594.5
SuzukiGSX-1300R4785633.5
KawasakiZX144745633.2
ApriliaFutura4635655.4
YamahaXTZ1200Z '115745.3
ApriliaETV-1000 Caponard4745755.9
TriumphSprint GT5904.6
KawasakiZZR-12005205934.4
YamahaFJR 1300A5826504.5
HondaST 13006317316.5
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:42 PM   #563
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Nerd in me wanted to point out that the far right column should read 'lbs/HP', and the fact that lower numbers are faster. It reads somewhat counter-intuitively at the moment.
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Oops! You're right. Fixed. Always happens when I rush to hit the "submit" button!

Also, I posted the lb/hp number because that most people seem to want. Personally, lb/Nm (torque) is a much more useful number.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:05 PM   #565
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And the R1200ST is 505 lbs, 110 hp, for 4.6 lbs / hp.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:35 PM   #566
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FYI... Scale at the dragstrip says

Aprilia Futura full tank of gas 535lbs.... Saddle bags not installed. I believe the 565 noted above in the chart with bags on the bike.

BMW K1200S with Ti. slip on muffler full of gas 545lbs
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:54 PM   #567
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RE: Futura. I believe that you are correct.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:02 PM   #568
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625SXC wrote ...What is the "Motorcycle Industry" definition of a SPORT TOURING BIKE?
I'm not sure of the "Motorcycle Industry" definition, but here's my three sport tourers.

All are comfortable, powerful, have excellent fairings, go real fast, and handle great in the twisties.

The Sprint has an OEM pannier rack and SW-Motech top rack. I made a pannier rack and top rack for the Falco.
I'm currently fabricating a pannier rack for the big Ninja. For daily riding I prefer only a tank bag.

My former sport touring bikes included an ST 1100 ( 17 years), Concours 1000, and FJR 1300. This current crop is way more fun

ZX14R, Triumph Sprint, and Aprilia Falco
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:15 PM   #569
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@ yostwerks... I'm still working on 3 bikes, but my choices would be 3 different bikes for different kinds of riding experiences...(GSA and MegaMoto- now I need a trail bike)
I was wondering what your perspective is on having 3 bikes that are all sorta "cousins"?
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Your current stable looks rather nice. I'm envious and you suck.
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