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Old 04-04-2013, 05:45 PM   #886
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The last two times I traversed your country on two wheels the vast majority of folks I saw out on the plains of Saskatchewan, the Icefields pkwy, or the northern tip of Nova Scotia were all riding Harleys. In fact, the only other motorcycle I saw in Northern Quebec at Radisson and Chisasibi was a Harley (other than the BMW's we were riding). There were no Hondas. Go figure.

You're about to get a real education on this trip you claim you are taking, if you are actually going. Maybe you'll stop being such a dumbass and let go of some of your prejudices.

I'm happy that your sport touring days are behind you and you've deciding it's time for your old lazy ass to move over and let the sport touring riders move on.....

Ill check back in this thread in a few days....

Have a good weekend bud...
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:45 PM   #887
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You put 100,000 kilometers - 62,000 miles - on a V-Strom, on one small Western Canadian Island in one summer?

You are like a god to me.
St Johns is on the East coast, Victoria on the West Coast. Geography is hard.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:49 PM   #888
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You put 100,000 kilometers - 62,000 miles - on a V-Strom, on one small Western Canadian Island in one summer?

You are like a god to me.
I bet I would be if you see me in person.......
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #889
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St Johns is on the East coast, Victoria on the West Coast. Geography is hard.
I know where they are. I quite enjoyed Victoria.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #890
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St Johns is on the East coast, Victoria on the West Coast. Geography is hard.
Geography is hard, for you... Victoria bc, is on the east coast too.... try looking it up.

But yes, I went back and forth a couple times.

Gotta go tuck the kids in, thanks for the laughs...
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:56 PM   #891
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I'm happy that your sport touring days are behind you and you've deciding it's time for your old lazy ass to move over and let the sport touring riders move on.....

Ill check back in this thread in a few days....

Have a good weekend bud...
Not that old, just started young. And yes, you should take a vacation. You're not doing yourself any favors here.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:00 PM   #892
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Geography is hard, for you... Victoria bc, is on the east coast too.... try looking it up.

But yes, I went back and forth a couple times.

Gotta go tuck the kids in, thanks for the laughs...
The locals call it the south coast around here. I am going there tomorrow. (Hope I don't get lost)
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:03 PM   #893
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Come down to Marietta this year for the MSTA Mail Pouch Fly-By event and we'll take you sport-touring.
Not sure when the MSTA meet is, but I'll be down in that neck of the woods the first weekend of May with about 35 of my closest FJR friends. We love the roads down there. So flat, boring and straight... so much so that I was down there 3 times last year just to square off my tires.

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Old 04-04-2013, 06:07 PM   #894
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Geography is hard, for you... Victoria bc, is on the east coast too.... try looking it up.

But yes, I went back and forth a couple times.

Gotta go tuck the kids in, thanks for the laughs...
While Alaska is considered the easternmost state because the Aleutian Islands cross 180 degrees longitude, Victoria doesn't come anywhere near there.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:08 PM   #895
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I just picked up a brand new sport touring bike last weekend.



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Old 04-04-2013, 06:12 PM   #896
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While Alaska is considered the easternmost state because the Aleutian Islands cross 180 degrees longitude, Victoria doesn't come anywhere near there.
I think he was trying to say that it was on the East Coast of Vancouver Island. But it's really on the southern tip, sort of east, but....oh never mind. I wonder if there are any riders on the Aleutian islands....
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:36 PM   #897
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I think he was trying to say that it was on the East Coast of Vancouver Island. But it's really on the southern tip, sort of east, but....oh never mind. I wonder if there are any riders on the Aleutian islands....
I have seen a few on Kodiak and one on Adak.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:41 PM   #898
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I would certainly consider an XR1200X a bike capable of sport touring, whether you call it a sport tourer or not. But I have to agree with the others that I, personally, would not consider a Sportster a sport tourer or consider sport touring on it.

But since there is no universally accepted definition of a sports tourer, people can call it what they want. I just don't think you'll convince too many people to consider a Sportster an ST bike.

To me, if it is comfortable enough ride 500 miles without being sore the next day and is still really fun in the twisties, I'd be willing to sports tour on it (even if I wouldn't call it a sports tourer).




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Since I've already sport toured on one, it doesn't matter whether or not they believe it can be done. What they sorely miss is the fact that sport touring is a type of riding. It only later became a type of motorcycle so bike manufacturers could sell more iron (or more appropriately, plastic).

Bueller, I think you are entirely missing the point Butters made.

Nowheres did he state that he did not believe that people can go Sport Touring on an XR 1200 X.

Sure it can be done; you've proved that.

You can go Sport Touring for The Rest Of Your Life on a Bergman 650, and the inmates on ADVrider will applaud you.

But they will not therefore accord a Burgman 650 Sport Tourer status.

The crux of the biscuit is that you can go Sport Touring on many different styles of bike, but that does not make it a Sport Tourer.

Sport Touring is an activity; Sport Tourer is a specific style of bike, w/ certain parameters.

Therein lies the rub...
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:17 AM   #899
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Sport Tourer is a specific style of bike, w/ certain parameters.
Therein lies the rub...
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Do you care to list those parameters for those of us who didn't get the memo?

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Old 04-05-2013, 02:16 AM   #900
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Do you care to list those parameters for those of us who didn't get the memo?

It's a moving target. I remember back in the 90's the term Sport-Touring was used for any fully-faired sport bike that didn't sacrifice everything to the altars of agility, weight, and power. Or to those bikes that no longer made the cut as the bar was raised by progress.

Really wasn't until the late 90's that it became a full-on market segment and more telling, a marketing term, served by Honda with the VFR800, Triumph with the Sprint ST, and Ducati with the ST2. There were a few all-purpose bikes that could be farkled into ST competitors, like the Bandit AE, the Ninja 1000, etc, but none of those were purpose-built to be ST bikes (and most of those all-purpose bikes are still being sold).

That market segment of purpose-built, chain driven liter-range ST bikes was really short-lived though, when you come right down to it. All the above models have been discontinued.

That market is now mostly being served by what used to be classified as touring bikes in the Honda ST1300 mold. Upright seating, shaft drive, bigger displacement 4 cylinder, large fairings and screens, more creature comforts and pillion room. That's when the Sport Touring term started to get applied to any touring bike that didn't have pillion armrests and could also deal with some lean angles.

And of course, the upright ADV-style bikes started to eat into that old ST niche as well.

My theories on why Sport Touring bike in the VFR800 mold died?

They weren't sporty enough for the "real" sportbike riders, either in performance or peer acceptance.

But they also weren't comfortable enough (or pillion friendly enough) for the touring riders, who were finding the "sporting" limits of modern touring bikes were constantly improving anyway, not to mention the riders were constantly aging.

And finally, they never generated high profit margins or sales volume, even while they were in vogue, so they didn't get much marketing from the OEMS or love from the dealers.

So what does Sport Touring mean these days? Whatever you want it to, it really has devolved back into the original catch-all usage of the term and not some well-defined market segment like it was briefly.
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