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Old 04-05-2013, 02:43 AM   #901
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How about a break from the bickering for a picture of my bike?



I also custom fabricated a rear rack.

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Old 04-05-2013, 04:08 AM   #902
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Bueller, I think you are entirely missing the point Butters made.

Nowheres did he state that he did not believe that people can go Sport Touring on an XR 1200 X.

Sure it can be done; you've proved that.

You can go Sport Touring for The Rest Of Your Life on a Bergman 650, and the inmates on ADVrider will applaud you.

But they will not therefore accord a Burgman 650 Sport Tourer status.

The crux of the biscuit is that you can go Sport Touring on many different styles of bike, but that does not make it a Sport Tourer.

Sport Touring is an activity; Sport Tourer is a specific style of bike, w/ certain parameters.

Therein lies the rub...
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"SPORT TOURER" can just as easily used to describe a type of rider as it can be used to describe a bike. In fact, I'd make the argument based on this thread alone that you can apply the term to a type of rider much more easily than you can a class of bike.

Did you miss the link to the popular mechanics article where they lumped a Harley road glide in to the comparison? I wouldn't have gone that far if I were writing the article, but it does a great job of supporting exactly what I keep saying. The parameters of a sport touring motorcycle are not well defined, which is exactly the issue I brought up and was trying to convey when Maggot spewed the stream of hatred about another inmate's motorcycle posted in this thread. If the term isn't well defined, its certainly not because the industry left it up to him to define it.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:47 AM   #903
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It's a moving target. I remember back in the 90's the term Sport-Touring was used for any fully-faired sport bike that didn't sacrifice everything to the altars of agility, weight, and power. Or to those bikes that no longer made the cut as the bar was raised by progress.

Really wasn't until the late 90's that it became a full-on market segment and more telling, a marketing term, served by Honda with the VFR800, Triumph with the Sprint ST, and Ducati with the ST2. There were a few all-purpose bikes that could be farkled into ST competitors, like the Bandit AE, the Ninja 1000, etc, but none of those were purpose-built to be ST bikes (and most of those all-purpose bikes are still being sold).

That market segment of purpose-built, chain driven liter-range ST bikes was really short-lived though, when you come right down to it. All the above models have been discontinued.

That market is now mostly being served by what used to be classified as touring bikes in the Honda ST1300 mold. Upright seating, shaft drive, bigger displacement 4 cylinder, large fairings and screens, more creature comforts and pillion room. That's when the Sport Touring term started to get applied to any touring bike that didn't have pillion armrests and could also deal with some lean angles.

And of course, the upright ADV-style bikes started to eat into that old ST niche as well.

My theories on why Sport Touring bike in the VFR800 mold died?

They weren't sporty enough for the "real" sportbike riders, either in performance or peer acceptance.

But they also weren't comfortable enough (or pillion friendly enough) for the touring riders, who were finding the "sporting" limits of modern touring bikes were constantly improving anyway, not to mention the riders were constantly aging.

And finally, they never generated high profit margins or sales volume, even while they were in vogue, so they didn't get much marketing from the OEMS or love from the dealers.

So what does Sport Touring mean these days? Whatever you want it to, it really has devolved back into the original catch-all usage of the term and not some well-defined market segment like it was briefly.
why don't you go back and read my last post

instead of rewriting with too many words

a picture= 1000 words

a few words does not equal piles of words

read with understanding

rant over

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ps. I agree with you.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:47 AM   #904
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How about a break from the bickering for a picture of my bike?



I also custom fabricated a rear rack.

nice bike
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:06 AM   #905
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Definition of Sport Tourer

Please, would someone just write a witty Haiku and we'll put this thing to bed?
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:33 AM   #906
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Please, would someone just write a witty Haiku and we'll put this thing to bed?
Why would we do that?
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:37 AM   #907
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:18 AM   #908
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EmptiMind, I like that bike!
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:38 AM   #909
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Why would we do that?
It's fun to debate and fight
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Yeah, we're all regular keyboard thugs.

Here's mine.

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Old 04-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #910
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Oh, it's picture time?

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Old 04-05-2013, 12:10 PM   #911
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:25 PM   #912
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:32 PM   #913
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EmptiMind, I like that bike!
Thanks, I certainly like it. I can keep up in the twisties without ruining too many pegs, and still get 50+ MPG. Bill Mayer Saddle coming soon, and Iron Butt rides soon after.
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