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Old 04-08-2013, 04:31 AM   #961
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my take about sport tourers:
with all the luggage on board, it doesn´t really matter what bike you ride. even a superbike handels bad if it is loaded up. only advantage would be the better seating position and maybe the fuel capacity. but that depends on the bike, and fuel range isn´t a problem where i ride.
so, the difference between a hardcore tourer and a sport tourer comes down to comfort. a sports tourer is a compromise, at best.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:35 AM   #962
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What is a "hardcore tourer" ???
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:11 AM   #963
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:04 PM   #964
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my take about sport tourers:
with all the luggage on board, it doesn´t really matter what bike you ride. even a superbike handels bad if it is loaded up.
I wouldn't say a superbike necessarily handles bad when loaded. I'd say "not as well as unloaded" and then go on to say that done right it'd still be likelty to out-handle, out-accelerate and out-brake a luxury barge like a K1600 or even a smaller barge like the FJR1300.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:11 PM   #965
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:17 PM   #966
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I've found any of my bikes to handle just fine as long as you remember to adjust the preload and damping to compensate. When you don't you get a light front end and a bike that wallows all over the place.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:35 PM   #967
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Hell, most people on here will call those "sport-tourers".

I just call them touring bikes...

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Old 04-08-2013, 05:44 PM   #968
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Hell, most people on here will call those "sport-tourers".

I just call them touring bikes...

I thought my K1100LT was a great tourer , until i bought the RT.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:18 PM   #969
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My favorite sport tourer, hard to believe it's 9yrs old.



When I first got into motorcycling in 2002, in my mind this was THE sport tourer. Truly a shame BMW doesn't make anything similar today. The R1200ST was close, but not this.

It seems the ST bike has morphed over to the ADV bike in today's market, with an emphasis on the street oriented versions.

BTW, beautiful bike!
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:43 PM   #970
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Or it's just motorcycle riding, distilled down to its basics. Something I enjoy very much nowadays, having owned and tracked several examples of cutting edge performance. I don't really care what any of the advertisers do or say in an attempt to sell stuff.

As a side note, you left out the CB750, H2 (widow maker), and Z1, which were the real cutting edge performance bikes of the early '70's. a V7 - then as now - didn't even compare. Yet it was a wonderful choice for sport touring. A bike doesn't have to be cutting edge in performance to be a sport tourer.
Having put many hours seat time on a V7Sport as well as cb750 & z1 I disagree. When I crashed my cb750 into a ball of bits I cant tell you how happy I was to take the insurance as a downpayment on a bike that had a chassis.

Yes its true you don't need cutting edge bike for it to be a sport tourer. But a reasonable level of dynamic competency is a prerequisite. Here is my sport-tourer. Like a Sportster its a sub 900cc twin cyclinder motorcycle. From there they diverge.

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Its an 850cc twin, but it makes more torque & double the power of 883 sportster, but half that of a RSV4.

It has a rising-rate linkage single shock rear end with 3 way adjustment, re-valved & resprung to suit just me. Because stupidly short travel twin shock rear suspension with fly-screen door-closers for dampers just isn't good enough.

It has twin floating discs & twin 4 piston calipers. Because thats the bare minimum. I would prefer radial mount Brembos with ABS

It has cast alloy wheels in modern sizes so I can use cutting edge sport-touring rubber. Using bakerlite crossplys is so 1960's

It has a chassis that is an order of magnitude stiffer than a sportster, with actual ground clearance included for free. This all helped buy the fact my bike has a kerb weight 155lbs less than a Sportster.

Here it is pictured in the middle of a 6700km tour of the mountain passes of NSW. It now has 135,000km on the clock all recreational riding. BTW I have ridden a Sportster, my brother in law had one... awful tarts handbag of a bike from new.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:47 PM   #971
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:49 AM   #972
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My favorite sport tourer, hard to believe it's 9yrs old.



Beautiful bike.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:20 AM   #973
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I think one area that manufacturers need to pay more attention to is fuel mileage. My "modern" ST bike, my Futura, is lucky to get 40+ mpg. My old R1100RS did better than that and the Futura is a lighter bike...but with more horsepower! I don't see any reason that a modern ST bike cannot get 50+ mpg. I mean cars do it, and they weigh a lot more than a 500/600 lb bike! I mean, gas is expensive! Manufacturers have long been able to disregard fuel mileage because gas was cheap and riders basically didn't care. That situation has changed. I'm about to leave on a two week trip south that I've been taking for 20 years now. A fill-up that used to cost less than $10 now costs twice as much or more. Manufacturers need to act on this!

What do you think?
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:46 AM   #974
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Twinz- how will the manufacturers work on getting better milage out of the ST bikes if no one can agree what a ST bike is?Because using my definition, there are alot of sporty bikes and sports bikes, but only a handful of ST bikes on the market and they already get good gas mileage!
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:00 AM   #975
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Here's my trusty old sport tourer

2001 Triumph Sprint ST. I've gotten 50 mpg several times. Usually I am in the mid 40 mpg range. That sweet triple is music to my ears.
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