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Old 03-25-2013, 01:06 AM   #346
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I won't be getting the NTX as i don't need the side cases, and prefer cast wheels (I hate cleaning spokes)-one advantage of living in the UK I suppose.
I thought spokes cleaned themselves? Find some puddles to ride through, you'll see. I guess I'm not very finicky when it comes to detailing/cleaning spokes. A few swipes with a soft brush.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:44 AM   #347
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Guzzi Stelvio

That's a very good write up. I own a yamaha 900 diversion with 85,000 miles on the clock and no mechanical issues at all. I have been considering a change and have been looking at the BMW GS. What really puts me off are the numerous mechanical issues, especially for a so called mile eating adventure/tourer. On my way home from my European tour last year a Stelvio breezed past me and I liked the look of it. Got talking to the rider at a fuel stop and he also owned a Gs and had bought the Stelvio and loved it in comparison.

Think I'll go looking for a Stelvio.
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:08 PM   #348
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I bought mine in Baton Rouge, the dealer is great, they are a BMW primarily and a Moto Guzzi not so primary. They have a LC1200GS and a Lava black Stelvio as demos, I rode both and and now am a Stelvio owner. Got the orange and it is just beautiful. I also have a 97 MG 1100 Sport (Spot) that has 62,000 miles and has been basically trouble free, so I am comfortable that the Stelvio will be in my stable for many years.

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Old 06-11-2013, 09:11 AM   #349
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Road Runner Magazine, July/August 2013, page 52

Nice comparison article pitting the new Stelvio NTX against the Ducati Multistrada. The Ducati gets good marks for it's 150 hp and speed although the Stelvio acquits itself very well in that category. "Sure, on the open road the Multistrada will drop the Stelvio but you better have some 'Get out of Jail Free' cards in your wallet."
They also say "...in the twisty stuff, the Stelvio can hang with the Multistrada from corner entry to mid corner..."

Road Runner pretty-much gets a bead on the situation when they say "the Multistrada has 'go-fast ' parts; the Stelvio has 'go far' parts." They continue, " (The Stelvio) will feel more at home sipping from its big tank while crossing wide open spaces, but it's surprisingly fun on the tight stuff." Also, "... the Stelvio can be pushed very rapidly and keep pace with the Ducati." The Ducati is lighter than the Stelvio but the Stelvio offsets that with its tires and design.

In addition to its performance capabilities, the Stelvio is given credit for its visceral appeal and overall simplicity when compared to the super-tech Ducati whose displays and settings "...requires cracking open the manual to understand...."

The article omits several key aspects of a test. They do not put the bikes through any off-road terrain where the Stelvio can shine. They also do not make specific mention except in their spec sheet that the Stelvio is $4000 less expensive than the Ducati. They also provide no long-term maintenance data that show relative costs of, say, a valve inspection service. When I test-rode a Multistrada, I was very reluctantly told that such service alone would be about $1000 for the Ducati.

I love Ducatis and I've had three of them. Comparing a Multistrada to a Stelvio, however, is little like apples to oranges.

This is a good write-up from a good magazine that is published out of North Carolina and is normally free from the California cycle press mentality.

Road Runner focuses on touring with great articles and pictures from cycle travels throughout the world. They provide tear-out maps of trips they describe in every issue.

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Old 07-04-2013, 07:11 PM   #350
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I've been pretty much reading everything I can on the new Stelvio along with whatever relevant YouTube videos are out there. Like another of the posters I am coming from a V-Strom DL1000. I bought mine in November of 2001 when they first hit the market. Actually, the one I got was used by Suzuki as a chase bike for a scooter roll-out and they guys at the dealership said it wasn't going to be a big seller so they let it go for $1000 under MSRP.

I really liked the DL and miss it. Went to a ST1300 for a while but that was like riding a vanilla ice cream cone. But since I got my V11 Tenni I've fallen in love with that motor. That bike is the most fun to ride out of all the bikes I've owned or ridden. I love the feel and sound of that twin.

So I am pretty sure a new Stelvio will be in my future. Hopefully I will be getting a a look at a Lava 2013 next week.
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:38 PM   #351
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Cross-fitting Norge Scoops for Heat Management on Stelvio

The Stelvio is a fine motorcycle but I, and others, have noticed the heat that emanates mostly from the left cylinder onto the rider's left leg. It's not that bad and simply letting your knee move away from the tank to allow cooling air to mix between the valve cover and your leg does wonders in hot weather. At one time, I thought I'd have an EFI reflash to richen the motor and I supposed that would greatly help with the heat issue. The bike runs so well, though, that I hate to mess with the EFI.
Enter the new Norge. A well-known friend recently bought a new Norge and I've been studying the new shrouding around the cylinder heads. The scoops integrate with the other plastic bodywork and effectively manage any heat from the cylinders.

Pictures of Norge head scoops on the Norge.



I checked the parts fiche at my local Guzzi dealer and ordered two of the scoops at about $10 each for fitment on my Stelvio. They have arrived and I've attached them.

Plastic scoops from Norge. Part numbers 883629, 883630.



I used electrical P clamps and fabricated a few simply brackets to attach the scoops to my Stelvio engine guards and cylinder. I will post additional photos with more refinements and a better guide to how I attached the pieces. I will also post additional testing on how the scoops work. We are under terrible rains at present that prevent a good road test.



Left side Stelvio with Norge scoop.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:08 AM   #352
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I have recently bought a Stelvio 1200 (2012 8 Valve)

I had owned two BMW GS's previously and which I enjoyed (wish I still had the 1992 Dakar 1000)

Anyway, I started looking at late model used 1200 GS's and test rode a new Water Cooled model. I was looking at around $19000 (Aust Dollars) for a good low mileage oil cooled and around $27000 for a new 1200GS (not GSA) with all the high tech stuff.

The first thing I noticed was that the gear change on the new 1200 was more - let's say 'agricultural' then either of my previous GS's.

I happened to be near a Moto Guzzi dealer a few days later and dropped in to test ride a Stelvio NTX....I was impressed, and although I only wanted the standard model ( My desert and adventure riding days are behind me now)
I felt this would fill all my current touring needs. And , at $17990 on the road it seemed a fair price.

I haven't put many K's on it yet, but have done one 1000 Kilometre weekend and can only say that I am very happy with my choice. I don't find the vibes at all intrusive and the ride is sublime. Handling is excellent and it likes good dirt roads (which is all I will need to cover) Fuel economy and therefore 'range' with the 32 litre tank is great the seat comfy!

The handlebars could probably use a slight curve back to the rider but a minor issue.

I am looking forward to some good times on this bike.

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Old 10-29-2013, 10:50 AM   #353
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The Stelvio is a fine motorcycle but I, and others, have noticed the heat that emanates mostly from the left cylinder onto the rider's left leg. It's not that bad and simply letting your knee move away from the tank to allow cooling air to mix between the valve cover and your leg does wonders in hot weather. At one time, I thought I'd have an EFI reflash to richen the motor and I supposed that would greatly help with the heat issue. The bike runs so well, though, that I hate to mess with the EFI.
Enter the new Norge. A well-known friend recently bought a new Norge and I've been studying the new shrouding around the cylinder heads. The scoops integrate with the other plastic bodywork and effectively manage any heat from the cylinders.

Pictures of Norge head scoops on the Norge.



I checked the parts fiche at my local Guzzi dealer and ordered two of the scoops at about $10 each for fitment on my Stelvio. They have arrived and I've attached them.

Plastic scoops from Norge. Part numbers 883629, 883630.



I used electrical P clamps and fabricated a few simply brackets to attach the scoops to my Stelvio engine guards and cylinder. I will post additional photos with more refinements and a better guide to how I attached the pieces. I will also post additional testing on how the scoops work. We are under terrible rains at present that prevent a good road test.



Left side Stelvio with Norge scoop.
This is pretty cool, thanks for the part numbers.

I was thinking of fabbing up something like this but Guzzi has already done it. The price is cheap so not much to loose if I don't like it. I would only use it in the summer, in the winter the extra heat is kinda nice :-))
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:29 AM   #354
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moto guzzi stelvio

seriously think about purchasing a 2009 moto guzzi stelvio comparing to
2006 r1200 gs bmw. Trying to decide which one it will be and after reading the article, leaning towards moto guzzi need more convincing!!
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:02 AM   #355
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Stelvio Riders,

I have a 2010 Stelvio that I purchased from European Motorsports in June of 2011. (Great folks and well worth the 600 mile trip for me to buy there again). I love the bike but I am considering trading it in on a 2014. The only thing holding me back is I am not sure I'll be getting enough bang for the buck. Would you consider the big tank model to be that much better than the 2010? How does the 2010 compare with the 2014? Are the improvements that much better as far as handling, comfort, and performance? Remember, unlike the 09, the 2010 does have the reworked cam for better torque curve. I know I would be giving up those 50mm forks and the glove box. (I do actually use the glove box for garage door opener, wallet etc).

I ride 80% of the time on paved roads but I live in a rural area just west of West Palm Beach and we have a lot of unpaved roads here. I often ride the Guzzi on them so my friends suggestion to buy a Harley is not practical. For the real technical stuff I use my 09 Kawasaki klx250.

Something I have to keep in mind is that if I keep the 2010 Guzzi I will have to drop about $1K for hard bags.

There is one other thing, has anyone heard of any major improvements for 2015? I read the article on the Stelvio spy pics...

I would really like to get some opinions.


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I recently purchased a 2012 Stelvio NTX from European Motorsports at Riders Hill in Dahlonega GA. That is a great dealer, by the way.

This motorcycle has received many favorable reviews lately and many people are considering it for their purchase. I took the bike out yesterday and, though staying within a prudent break-in restraint, put the bike through some paces.

Afterward, I thought that perhaps a few comments regarding the Stelvio may be of interest to someone seriously curious about a Stelvio.

About 3 and a half years ago, a good friend purchased a Stelvio when they were first introduced. I had the opportunity to ride the bike many times back then. I even kept the bike for an extended period and used it regularly.

I wrote a long-winded review of the bike in early '09 and posted it here. I went back and retrieved that thread from the archives and re-read it with interest.

In many ways that original review, done 3 and a half years ago, pretty well sums up my current take on the new 2012 NTX. I do have some updates for issues noted in that past review and I have revised it.

I know that this is a lot of stuff for many of you to read but those who are very interested in a Stelvio may get some useful info out of it.

I am a long-time BMW GS owner and rider so much of my review is a comparison of the Guzzi to the GS. I hope fellow GS riders and BMW owners take no offense at any of my remarks.




UPDATE - JULY 2012, 2012 Guzzi Stelvio NTX -

1. On the road.

The Stelvio has undergone many nice refinements since the first 2009 model I tested. It is not as smooth as a BMW GS but it is closer to that than in the past. You get noticeable vibration through the handlebars. The throb. This doesnt really bother me much (I've also been riding a HD Shovelhead for 31 years). I actually like having that sort of visceral feedback but its an issue that other riders, especially non-guzzi riders, will notice. The handlebar throb is somewhat like the V11 sport that I used to have. Perhaps filling it with lead shot, a Bar Snake or some other after-market fix would help.

The Stelvio suspension has always been more sporting than my GS (with Ohlins). Now, it is even better. The Guzzi feels much more taut. It also tracks very well and handles curvy roads well. It has an edge over the GS in this regard. I remember being leaned hard in a tight right-hander and encountering a severe bump in the pavement. The Guzzi handled the bump well and never lost its line. The Guzzi is very sporty and hard to ride slow. It loves curves and feels much more like a sportbike than any GS I've had.

The GS could perhaps be considered more plush. BMW has spent a lot of effort on loading their bikes with every gadget and gizmo they can imagine to appeal to the baby-boomer, "I want all accessories," market. For long distance running, cross country etc., the GS would provide a smoother, more pampered and softer ride both in engine feedback and in suspension feel.

The Guzzi now offers heated grips, switchable ABS, traction control, and an easy-to-operate information computer. The Guzzi does not have electronic adjustable suspension like the GS and I'm glad. The Guzzi suspension, both front and rear, work very well and have a great range of adjustability. For many people, the rigid fork of the Guzzi gives better feel to the rider than does the telelever A-arm rig of the BMW.

The information display of the Guzzi is logical and easy to read. It offers an analog tach and digital speed display. Two "trip" settings are logged and provide information such as average speed, top speed, distance, voltage, fuel mileage etc etc. Current time and ambient temperature is a constant display but the Guzzi does not have a gear indicator as has been standard on the BMW for over a decade.

The computer operation of the Guzzi is greatly improved over the original Stelvio. The toggle operation is simple and it responds well to operation. Some folks do not like the location of the computer toggle just above the turn signal switch but, in quick time, I learned it and it is not a problem for me. The turn signal switch is a typical manual one without any self-canceling function. Though not a huge advantage, the BMW is somewhat better arranged in this regard, having an easily-operated computer toggle and programmer switch totally separated from any other switch.

Power on the Guzzi is very different than the GS. The Guzzi feels much more torquey. It's fast. My seat-of-the-pants judgement is that it will out-run the 1200 GS which is no small compliment since the GS aint no slouch. Due to the NTX being new, I did not romp on it but I remember my friend's 09 model well. The rush of the Guzzi above 6000 rpm is fun.

From my impressions then : "... in fouth gear this thing redlines at over 115 mph. For most sport riding, you never need more than 3rd or 4th gear. On a long straight stretch, I was able to top the Stelvio out at an indicated 140-141 mph and that's with the large Givi windshield."

The Guzzi transmission worked fine on the '09 model and it is even better now on the '12 model. Even with the out-of-the box new NTX, there is no shift issues and the transmission works better than just about anything I've ridden. The Guzzi is much slicker-shifting than the somewhat notchy feel of the GS.

A huge advantage of the Guzzi is its dimensional size. Remember that the '12 has been re-designed and now carries an 8.5 gallon tank. The remarkable thing, however, is not that they put an 8.5 gallon tank on the bike but that they did it within basically the same relatively narrow body dimensions of the '09 bike. Sit on the Stelvio and then sit on a BMW GS Adventure. The difference is startling. The Guzzi retains its compact profile whereas the BMW is literally HUGE.

So, for distance range, the Stelvio matches and compares to the huge GS Adventure and not the regular GS. Dimensionally, the Stelvio is more compact than even the regular GS !

Part of this is due to the BMW telelever front suspension whose A-arm requires the GS tank to spread out around the A-arm. The Guzzi has an upside-down fork that allows a tighter and more-narrow front body design for the Stelvio.

Weight numbers are hard to get for comparison. The Stelvio NTX comes loaded with aluminum bags, engine guards, auxiliary lighting and many other things. The factory weight number includes those items whereas such things are considered accessories for the BMW and not included in published dry or wet weights.

Some of the weight advantage of the BMW is lost with the added weight of spare parts that I and serious long-distance BMW riders carry in the tail pack. I always carry a final drive rebuild kit with the big bearing and seals, a few special tools, fuel controller parts and the like. Such a thing is a non-issue with the Guzzi.

Going back and sourcing weight numbers for the '09 Stelvio (without bags) and comparing to a BMW GS (without bags) shows the Guzzi with anywhere from 25 to 48 pounds greater weight than the BMW, depending on the source of the numbers. I hope to physically weigh the two bikes soon and get some real numbers.

Regardless of the weight numbers, the Guzzi Stelvio feels much lighter than either the GS or GS Adventure. The Guzzi's more svelte dimensions and quicker steering make it feel lighter than the BMW. I am amazed that the Guzzi has 8.5 gallons of fuel capacity.

The Guzzi will flat run. It sounds good too. Nothing matches the sound of a V Twin motor.


2. Off-road.

Just as in 2009, the Guzzi wins, hands down. No comparison. If you do much off-road, the Stelvio is far, far superior to the GS. The magazine reviewers are remiss in not noticing this. The advantage gap is even wider now when comparing the NTX to the Adventure. The determining factor here is first gear running and sheer size.

With these large and heavy dual sport bikes on dirt there are times when going slow is essential. The GS has been plagued since its inception with a notoriously tall first gear. Even the "enduro" transmission of the huge BMW Adventure has a too-tall first gear.

If you're around GS riders on serious mud or technical washouts, you're going to smell the distinct aroma of a burning clutch since one is compelled to slip the clutch in those circumstances. Yes, the conventional instruction for GS riding is "When in doubt, gas it." Thats a cute quip, and momentum will carry you through many situations, but there are times when that won't work and the GS is a hard bike to ride in those times. The BMW first gear is way too tall and the engine too easily stalls.

The Stelvio, on the other hand, will walk itself out of bad situations in first gear even with no throttle. I bogged down a couple of times in 10-inch Alabama mud that folded over the rims. The Stelvio would sometimes stop forward motion while the rear wheel gently spinned in the mud with my hand off the throttle! I'd paddle forward with my feet and, when traction was finally obtained, the bike would resume forward progress. Chugga chugga chugga, all at idle speed !

On very technical or inclined climbs, in first gear, the Guzzi would calmly just walk up the dried, hard rock at a manageable speed with a little throttle. I never had to worry about slipping the clutch or "giving it the gas" to barrel through something that I didn't wanna barrel through. Especially when you think about comparing the Guzzi to a huge Adventure in these situations, the advantage is a no-brainer.

I remember than the '09 Guzzi liked to rooster tail on dirt. Grab a handfull of throttle in 2nd or 3rd and that rear wheel would break loose easily. The '12 is no different.

A big complaint I had with the '09 model was the wheel size. I thought that Guzzi should have fitted the Stelvio with a set of wheels the same size as the GS in order to avail the Guzzi rider of the wide choice of dual-sport tires out there. Guzzi has done just that with the '12 NTX. It rides on two sealed-spoke wheels the same size as the GS.

Specification-wise, the GS has a wee-bit more suspension travel than the Guzzi but that is largely academic considering the more significant advantages of the Stelvio off-road.

I have read minor criticism about some test riders having troubles with their left leg hitting the left cylinder of the Guzzi and about the heat dissipated by that left cylinder. I'm 6-2 and I never contact that left jug. I tried yesterday to make that happen. If I scrooch way-up on the tank and try, I can make contact with the left cylinder. The contact, however, is with the plastic guard shield on the throttle body or with the plastic shield on the valve cover. I cannot understand how anyone would contact the hot metal fins of the head or cylinder.

In hot weather, yes, you can feel heat from the left side. This is similar to the heat you will feel from both cylinders of a BMW in similar conditions. Fuel injection tweaking will greatly help this issue but, for most riding, it is not a big thing. Hey, when the day is hot, everything is hot.


Summary

The Stelvio is a different animal than the BMW.

I have owned and ridden four BMW GS models including an Adventure. I currently own a 2007 1200GS. I like BMW's.

A big disadvantage for the Guzzi is the relatively limited dealer network. The BMW dealer network is limited too but it is better than that of the Guzzi. Many people depend on local dealers for service and support so this is an important issue.

On the other hand, the Guzzi is easier to service than the BMW. It has a much-less-complicated electrical system and fewer gadgets to cause problems. BMW's are becoming much more-difficult for the owner to service and one is too-often required to take their bike to a dealer for repairs.

I was once stranded in Jacksonville FL with a dead 1200GS. The computer simply shut everything down and no on-the-road diagnosis was possible. I was forced to consume two entire days of getting a wrecker truck and towing the bike to the dealer in Daytona only to find that the problem was a weak cell in the battery. With the Guzzi, such an issue would have been easily determined and corrected on-site with much less trouble.

The sad truth, too, is that BMW's have become known for their many reliability issues. The legendary final drive failures, the fuel pump controller failures, the security system failures, the ABS failures, transmission shaft failures and many more issues plague the BMW's. I have been stranded several times with such things on my BMW's. I could elaborate but the fact is that the Guzzi's, though with fewer dealers, are showing much fewer problems that would require a dealer.

Piaggio has done a good job. I expect that, with bikes such as the Stelvio and the other machines they are producing, we will see greater sales and eventually more dealers. Now would be a good time for people to open new dealerships and get in on the ground floor as the Guzzi brand undergoes a resurgence.

The Stelvio NTX is a winner in all categories. When you consider all the advantages of the Guzzi described above and then note that the Stelvio is not only $5000-6000 less costly to buy than a comparably-equipped GSA but the Stelvio has a 2-year unlimited mileage warranty, the decision is easy to make.

If you are a GS rider with an open mind or if you are just considering a large enduro dual-sport, give the Guzzi a try.

You may discover something very good that you did not expect.










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Old 03-06-2014, 11:13 AM   #356
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New Stelvio?

I appreciate all these reviews and comments. Im looking for new adv bike. All road with occasional dirt road. I really like the looks of the Stelvio. Ive wondered about performance on street. Im not interested in Wee Strom performance. GS is just too expensive. Explorer too ugly. I dont understand triumphs styling, or lack thereof. I had a 1050 Tiger and liked it, but I do understand the sewing machine comments about the motor.

Guess i need to drive over to Rider Hill in Dahlonega.
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:11 AM   #357
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Ride the Guzzi motor and you'll wonder why you haven't had them all along.

I don't think I've ever talked to anyone that took one for a test ride that didn't like it.

Best of luck with your search.
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Old 03-07-2014, 11:02 AM   #358
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Ride the Guzzi motor and you'll wonder why you haven't had them all along.

I don't think I've ever talked to anyone that took one for a test ride that didn't like it.

Best of luck with your search.
True... I've tried all sort of bikes, But I keep dreaming about that Norge!!!
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:03 AM   #359
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I keep dreaming about this Stelvio. Value for money is insane compared to bone dry GS's. Bash plate standard, and the cases you get with the NTX are actually very decent according to the reviews. See, there's a brand that wants to give you value for money, and I appreciate that. Makes for happy customers. Instead of wringing every last dollar out of you with fancy option lists. GS is definitely forever off the table for now. Also don't like what I'm hearing about the reliability issues on the GS shaft drive, which from what I'm picking up is excellent on the guzzis.

Minimal maintenance, easy engine access, what else do you want. And hardcases and spoke wheels for the price of a standard no option GS. And an engine with LOADS MORE CHARACTER,

look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_ekiTPsEA

Oh and I forget, insane 32L fuel capacity!! I did a long distance touring trip (Iran and such) on a ktm and had a range of a whopping 260 km on a good day. Just a lot of headache. And I see the exhaust is single sided so between the pannier and the bike on the other side you can fit an auxiliary fuel tank if need be!!
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