2013 F800GS and F700GS merged threadfest - Page 6

bobobob · 07-03-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JRWooden

The spec. sheet on my F658GS says 4.2US Gallons which is ~16 liters

I thought 16l was four gallons and that the F650GS has an 18l tank or 4.5 gallon tank.

bobobob · 07-03-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by grndzr0

Did you just say "Tweener" on ADV Rider???

Not sure that is allowed!!

Ryan

It's only allowed in the tranny threads in Inmates.

hammick · 07-03-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxacceleration

You are one of the few.

Maybe beemer is buying time with these small facelifts for something more in the future.
The 700 looks really nice, but... Dual discs are not really needed and equal more weight. Smaller tank to offset the heavier front?
A GSA in the 700 with and inch more would be cool too.
As in a tweener tubeless model...

Come on, let me do the marketing...

I like the old switchgear much better than the new stuff.

JRWooden · 07-03-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeDuck

I'm probably wrong with this but, don't the US spec F650GS/F800GS/F800R hold less fuel than other countries versions due to the extra space our emissions equipment requires?

As far as I know, there is no emissions equipment that would reduce fuel capacity ... we do get a charcoal canister here in the USA, but it is outboard of the fuel tank, and I believe the fuel tank to be the same P/N round the world.

In all my reading on the forums, I've never read of anyone fitting more than about 4 gallons/16L in the tank ... even if they pushed it into the gas station...

Snowy · 07-03-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by itsatdm

The name will be very helpful, if you wanted to do some fact checking before posting up your opinion.

According to google, a F650gs is still a single. It does not know what a 658 is and F800gs get you the big bike..

Oh no...you're using Google as a "fact source"? That's where it's going wrong right there.

[insert] double facepalm[insert]

[sarcasm on]If you want any credibility at all you have to at least quote Wikipedia.[sarcasm off]

Yeah yeah...naughty corner...

JoeDuck · 07-03-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowy

Oh no...you're using Google as a "fact source"? That's where it's going wrong right there.

[insert] double facepalm[insert]

[sarcasm on]If you want any credibility at all you have to at least quote Wikipedia.[sarcasm off]

Yeah yeah...naughty corner...

No, no. If you want THE most accurate and authoritative information you use Google and click "I'm Feeling Lucky"

JoeDuck · 07-03-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JRWooden

As far as I know, there is no emissions equipment that would reduce fuel capacity ... we do get a charcoal canister here in the USA, but it is outboard of the fuel tank, and I believe the fuel tank to be the same P/N round the world.

In all my reading on the forums, I've never read of anyone fitting more than about 4 gallons/16L in the tank ... even if they pushed it into the gas station...

I think I was confuzzled by this back and forth re: F800r.

Snowy · 07-03-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeDuck

No, no. If you want THE most accurate and authoritative information you use Google and click "I'm Feeling Lucky"

I just have to giggle when people I know use Wikipedia as their "reference source" to win an argument.

I don't think they understand the concept of "collaborative".

Just cause Wiki says it's so, don't make it so.

The bizarre things I've found on google completely by accident still amaze me. I've spent hours in stunned disbelief browsing web sites belonging to radical nutjobs because some random word in a search has linked it.

I'll have the counter terrorist weenies kicking down the front door now. They track everything we do over here now.

But I see itsatdm's point. The name change would make it easier to identify the old F650GS, as distinct from the older F650GS...not to be confused with the....oh....you know what I mean.

JoeDuck · 07-04-2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowy

I just have to giggle when people I know use Wikipedia as their "reference source" to win an argument.

I don't think they understand the concept of "collaborative".

Just cause Wiki says it's so, don't make it so.

The bizarre things I've found on google completely by accident still amaze me. I've spent hours in stunned disbelief browsing web sites belonging to radical nutjobs because some random word in a search has linked it.

I'll have the counter terrorist weenies kicking down the front door now. They track everything we do over here now.

But I see itsatdm's point. The name change would make it easier to identify the old F650GS, as distinct from the older F650GS...not to be confused with the....oh....you know what I mean.

Ahh wiki, Wiki makes Cliff Claven look accurate.

esblow · 07-04-2012, 04:06 AM

Just another example of a marketing department run amok. Very sad really. As if picking the perfect(ish) Dualsport/Adventure bike for your style of riding and budget wasn't hard enough. I gotta say, as a researching buyer this move on BMW's part is pushing me towards KTM. I mean, seriously BMW, after Long Way Round came out you must have hit paydirt. Why get greedy and try to cover all marketing demographics? No offense to any owners out there, but IMO BMW Dualsport/Adventure bikes are going the way of the Hummer which is generally a street ride that is too expensive to take in the dirt.

Whats the old saying? The tail wagging the dog? Yep, that's it. Don't be a slave to marketing departments folks. Trust me, I work in one.

Sorry to vent. Ride safe.

Kaw4Life · 07-04-2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowy

... the anti ABS guys are going to flip when they see this ...

Add me to that list!

I guess I am too old, ABS is for cars and cars with two wheels.

Kaw4Life · 07-04-2012, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by esblow

No offense to any owners out there, but IMO BMW Dualsport/Adventure bikes are going the way of the Hummer which is generally a street ride that is too expensive to take in the dirt.

Well said!

esblow · 07-04-2012, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaw4Life

Add me to that list!

I guess I am too old, ABS is for cars and cars with two wheels.

Add me to that list also. Anybody remember the early anti-dive fork systems from the 80's?

theborv · 07-04-2012, 05:05 AM

I like the new F700GS, the looks, the breaks, the control-switches. I am quite excited about it, and it has defenatley tilted me towards the F700GS over the F800GS in the F650GS vs F800GS debate.

Naming conventions? Who really cares. Keep your tounge straight when you're talking/writing about it, and it's fine. People get hung up on nothing.

pm9654 · 07-04-2012, 05:19 AM

I STILL don't get BMW's take on this model. First calling it a 650, now a 700. Pumping up the hp/torque a bit, but come on, through in the powerplant of the GS800 and call it a day. Is even a beginner gonna get into that much more trouble with those extra 10 horses?
Don't get me wrong, I really like the bike. Just would have a hard time throwing my money down when I could pick up a Tiger with more horses. But I guess I'd have to ride both first, then make up my mind.

07-04-2012, 04:06 AM	#85
esblow Adventurer Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Oakland, CA Oddometer: 23	Just another example of a marketing department run amok. Very sad really. As if picking the perfect(ish) Dualsport/Adventure bike for your style of riding and budget wasn't hard enough. I gotta say, as a researching buyer this move on BMW's part is pushing me towards KTM. I mean, seriously BMW, after Long Way Round came out you must have hit paydirt. Why get greedy and try to cover all marketing demographics? No offense to any owners out there, but IMO BMW Dualsport/Adventure bikes are going the way of the Hummer which is generally a street ride that is too expensive to take in the dirt. Whats the old saying? The tail wagging the dog? Yep, that's it. Don't be a slave to marketing departments folks. Trust me, I work in one. Sorry to vent. Ride safe. __________________ Cheers, Eric 2009 Kawasaki KLR650 1983 Volkswagen Vanagon Westfalia

07-04-2012, 05:19 AM	#90
pm9654 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Nov 2007 Oddometer: 155	I STILL don't get BMW's take on this model. First calling it a 650, now a 700. Pumping up the hp/torque a bit, but come on, through in the powerplant of the GS800 and call it a day. Is even a beginner gonna get into that much more trouble with those extra 10 horses? Don't get me wrong, I really like the bike. Just would have a hard time throwing my money down when I could pick up a Tiger with more horses. But I guess I'd have to ride both first, then make up my mind. __________________ BATMAN

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07-04-2012, 05:05 AM	#89
theborv Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: Bergen, Norway Oddometer: 87	I like the new F700GS, the looks, the breaks, the control-switches. I am quite excited about it, and it has defenatley tilted me towards the F700GS over the F800GS in the F650GS vs F800GS debate. Naming conventions? Who really cares. Keep your tounge straight when you're talking/writing about it, and it's fine. People get hung up on nothing.