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Old 04-16-2014, 02:47 PM   #1
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Considering a used 2011 Burgman 400

Hello,

I'm considering trading out my 07 DL650 for this burgman 400. Anything to look over when I go check this out? What would be a fair price for the burgman?

How are the vibes running the scooter at a constant 80mph? Does it feel more or less stressed than the DL at those speeds? The DL650 has been putting my right hand to sleep. I think the full coverage wind protection would be great during the cold seasons, but do your legs/body get hot during the summer due to lack of air flow?

Any reason to hold out for a 12, 13, or 14?

Also stupid question: the left hand brake is the rear brake?

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Old 04-16-2014, 02:58 PM   #2
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A good place to find answers to your questions is http://burgmanusa.com - and yes the left hand brake is the rear brake and they aren't linked. The 06 and earlier 400 Burgmans had problems with oil control at constant high speeds - the 07 and up have more oil capacity.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:23 PM   #3
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We have an 08 400 with 10k miles and I love riding it. 85mph top speed, 60mpg, comfy seat and riding position. Great weather protection and storage. It will run smoothly down highway at 70-75. You may want to change clutching for lower rpm at highways speeds. Givi airflow shield works great. Suspension is a little harsh with NY potholes and my 210lbs. I may buy a better shock for my weight. Fun bike to ride and usually the first one I go to out of the 6. My wife loves it.

Not hot in summer. I don't feel any vibes. Wife rode NY to RI for weekend and enjoyed both highway and Back roads.

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Old 04-16-2014, 11:23 PM   #4
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Hello,

I'm considering trading out my 07 DL650 for this burgman 400. Anything to look over when I go check this out? What would be a fair price for the burgman?

How are the vibes running the scooter at a constant 80mph? Does it feel more or less stressed than the DL at those speeds? The DL650 has been putting my right hand to sleep. I think the full coverage wind protection would be great during the cold seasons, but do your legs/body get hot during the summer due to lack of air flow?

Any reason to hold out for a 12, 13, or 14?

Also stupid question: the left hand brake is the rear brake?



Thanks.
If you have to ride 80 mph keep the 650. At 80 mph engine durability will really take a hit with a single cylinder 400 compared to say 70 mph.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:14 AM   #5
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I own a 2011 B400, bought it new as a leftover 2 years ago. There isn't much difference between a 2011 and anything newer. I have over 6000 miles on it. I have made 3 changes to it. The biggest is replacing the stock windshield with a Givi AF266. Changed the scoot completely, and all for the better. The stock windshield is crap, shakes like jello in a cross wind, head buffeting like crazy and zero hand protection. The Givi makes the ride better in every way, more stable, no buffeting, actual wind protection for your hands and for me improved mpg by 1-2. I didn't do it for a year and kick myself for it.
The other 2 changes were bigger mirrors in black, and a 3 Brothers seat riser.
At 80, it won't get real good mpg, I've found much over 7000 rpm the mpg drops from mid 50s to high 40s. That's an indicated 72-75 mph which is about 10% faster than you are actually going. Top speed is about 95 indicated. I did that for several miles and the mpg dropped to 46-47 on the trip computer.
If you plan on a lot of long 80 mph runs, I'd look for a Burgman 650 or a Tmax.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:21 AM   #6
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>>If you have to ride 80 mph keep the 650.<<

Yeah, really! I'm always surprised when people buy scooters with this kind of riding in mind.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:39 AM   #7
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what is a 3 brothers seat riser??
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Old 04-17-2014, 10:15 AM   #8
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I've had two 650 V-Stroms and one 650 Burgman, I've never owned a Burgman 400. I consider the 650 V-Stroms one of the best bikes I have ever owned and the 650 Burgman falls right in behind the V-Stroms. You can run 80mph on the Burgman before you know it and it will be very smooth and enjoyable. I personally would not go with the Burgman 400 if you like your DL650 there will be too much of a change between the to. The Burgman 650 will surprise you on how well it preforms both in town and one the open road.

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Old 04-18-2014, 06:02 AM   #9
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what is a 3 brothers seat riser??
http://host.jwcinc.net/2472/3brother...nce/400br.html

It raises the stock butt rest up 4" and keeps the stock sliding adjustment. With the curve it is very comfortable.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:27 AM   #10
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I sold an 06 KLR 650,arthritis,and bought a new 08 Burgman 400 in the spring of 09. At 80mph the Burgman is more comfortable and less vibes the the KlR. Lots of buffeting with the stock windshield at 80mph, I need to buy a Givi. Lots of weather protection on the Burgman,not hot in the summer. I had a BMW K75RT that would fry your thighs in the summer. A constant 75mph is more comfortable than 80mph. I get 65mpg quite often,and I don't baby it. Some times I really miss that KLR.
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Old 04-18-2014, 12:37 PM   #11
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After my wife got the 400, I test rode a Burgman 650 for myself, but liked the 400 better. Maybe due to the smaller size and less weight? I bought a Tmax for myself and like that as well. Better suspension, but more leaned forward riding position. Burgman 400 with clutch kit isnt much slower than t-max. If I buy a shock for the 400 and get it to ride as smooth as the tmax, I can see myself selling the Tmax.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:40 AM   #12
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Hello,

I'm considering trading out my 07 DL650 for this burgman 400. Anything to look over when I go check this out? What would be a fair price for the burgman?

How are the vibes running the scooter at a constant 80mph? Does it feel more or less stressed than the DL at those speeds? The DL650 has been putting my right hand to sleep. I think the full coverage wind protection would be great during the cold seasons, but do your legs/body get hot during the summer due to lack of air flow?
If you don't look at the tach, it won't feel stressed at any speed, but looking
at the revs you'll wonder if you should be riding that close to redline. Easy to
fix with some Dr Pulley sliders (get better acceleration AND lower revs at
higher speeds).

It will likely vibe even less then your DL other then on idle.

And scooters do wind management a bit different to motorcycles, you'll
actually have most issues with legs/knees (and family jewels) on most
maxi scooters - the air turbulence gets in there and blasts your legs, and
since you're not hugging a tank, it goes waaay up there.

My legs were/are warmer on my 650R/fz6 naked then they were on any
of the 3 scooters I owned, and one of them was as wide as the Burger.
Only your feet are really protected properly.

Having 2 different windscreens for summer/winter is a good idea.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:42 AM   #13
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We have an 08 400 with 10k miles and I love riding it. 85mph top speed, 60mpg, comfy seat and riding position. Great weather protection and storage. It will run smoothly down highway at 70-75. You may want to change clutching for lower rpm at highways speeds.
You mean gearing?

Also, it should go faster then 85.
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:42 PM   #14
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I have a Majesty 400, and from what I hear, the Burgman and the Majesty are comparable scoots. I have no issues going 80 indicated if needed. I've had it a bit faster than that on very rare occasions with no problem. Speed limits on some roads here are 75.

I have heard nothing but good things about the Burgman and would have happily considered one if they had been available around here.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:41 AM   #15
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I have a Majesty 400, and from what I hear, the Burgman and the Majesty are comparable scoots. I have no issues going 80 indicated if needed. I've had it a bit faster than that on very rare occasions with no problem. Speed limits on some roads here are 75.

I have heard nothing but good things about the Burgman and would have happily considered one if they had been available around here.
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I've seen 105 indicated on a Majesty btw, and some people say the same
thing about the Burgman. Even if it's 10mph off, it's still fast, and these
aren't overstressed engines and I wouldn't hesitate doing 80mph on it,
the revs aren't that high, and as I've said, could be taken down by another
500 at least with some Dr Pulley sliders.

Both Burgman and Majesty are ~400cc/34hp.

Now the newer stuff like my Downtown was (which is rated anywhere from
29.5hp to 32,7hp depending on where you live), or the Piaggio BV350
/X10 350 with it's 330cc 33hp engine while being almost as fast as the
400cc/34hp class, I would push them that hard for long.

I used to maintain 70-75mph on my DT300 which kept the revs at up to
7000 stock or 6500 with DR Pulley sliders, and it was perfectly smooth.

There was no indicated redline, but the engine power peaked at 8000 and
the limiter kicked in at 8700. I had to try this, of course.
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