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Old 08-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #16
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Yeah!, Bring on the wars and hope it escalates to at least another 100cc . I'm sure they're fine bikes as is however more competition is good!
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:18 PM   #17
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Wink Brief History of the Kawasaki EX-250...

My understanding:

EX-250-C (GPZ-250) 1983-1984 - Japan Only = carburetors

EX-250-E 1986-1987 North America; GPZ-250R all other markets = carburetors (rare)

EX-250-F 1988-2007 USA; 1988-1999 Canada; GPX-250R 1987-2007 all other markets = carburetors (the most common or "standard" Kawasaki EX-250; 16" wheels / tires)

EX-250-G 1989-2007 = GPX-250R-II Japan Only = carburetors (Dual front disks; wider rear wheel / tire)

EX-250-H 1992-2007 = ZZR-250; world wide EXCEPT North America (never USA) = carburetors (new engine cases, frame, body, lights, suspension, levers, electronics, 17" wheels, etc.)
EX-250-H 2000-2007 = Ninja 250R (2000-2002) or ZZR-250 (2003-2007); Canada Only (never USA); same upgrades - 17" wheels, etc.

EX-250-J 2008-2012 = Ninja 250R in North America = carburetors; Major update: 17" wheels, new front suspension, brakes, bodywork, instruments, new engine tuning
EX-250-J 2008-2012 = Ninja 250R in Europe, Brazil, Thailand = Fuel Injected; same upgrades

EX-250-K(?) 2013+ = Ninja 250R in all markets, Fuel Injected. Major or Minor update (full specs tbd). Common world-platform?

Isn't this fun?

Sources: Ninja 250 Riders Club; Wikipedia
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:26 PM   #18
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I'd love to see the Japan-only Ninja 400 (not the sleeved-down 650R that's sold in Canada) here in North America! Until then, I'll wait for the 2013 Duke 350 and / or the 2014 Moto3 350 from KTM - both on the North American dealer's list for the USA.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:22 PM   #19
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Almost sounds like the new Ninja 250R is already available in Indonesia. More proof that Kawasaki (and Honda) are really targeting the emerging markets with these small displacement bikes. Wonder when the little Ninja will be available here in the US. With ABS and FI, I might be tempted to get another one.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:28 PM   #20
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if they are indeed targetting the 3rd world, I wonder how much it will cost here in Mexico, the current one already cost soo much! $6400, if you buy it here, if you buy it in the usa and import it then it could cost 500-1500 less (depending on the price of importation).

So with all these advances I think they will be price around $8,000.... let's hope not.

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Old 08-06-2012, 06:45 PM   #21
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I hope this move by Kawi keeps Suzuki and Yamaha away. If they clutter up this 250 class any more, none will have enough marketshare to make money (in the USA).
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:18 PM   #22
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if they are indeed targetting the 3rd world, I wonder how much it will cost here in Mexico, the current one already cost soo much! $6400, if you buy it here, if you buy it in the usa and import it then it could cost 500-1500 less (depending on the price of importation).

So with all these advances I think they will be price around $8,000.... let's hope not.

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If MSRP is over $4,500, they have lost the battle.

ETA - US price, can't speak to Mexico.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:39 PM   #23
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The Ninjette is one of the best selling motorcycles in the USA. Add fuel injection and I expect MSRP to be over $4,500; by how much will be the question. With more power than the CBR250, anything up to $4,999 will be defensible. Beyond that, who knows.

There are a host of 250cc street bikes in Japan. They fall into two categories: fun and serious. Both the CBR250 and the Ninjette are in the "fun" category. All four manufacturers make serious 250's. The bike I want to see in the USA is the Yamaha equivalent of the YZF-250R - the "serious" one. I expect that it would cost $7,000, and I would be one of the few to buy one. (See the "Nobody will buy High spec 250-400cc sportbikes" thread.)

In the mean time - KTM Moto3 for 2014.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:34 PM   #24
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Love it!
Just wish they would make the same exact bike, but with a 400cc engine!
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:57 AM   #25
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Left what door wide open?

Suzuki has the Gladius, which can be detuned in countries that have restrictions for new riders; and Yamaha has a 125 (and a 144 in some countries) for new riders for the same reasons, but is not offered in the U.S.
Not quite the same thing to me. For one thing what they sell in other countries has nothing to do with us here. Otherwise we wouldn't be complaining. And buying a bike for $7k only to detune it, doesn't really make any sense. When there are 250, and 500cc bikes around. Just wish there were more options, mostly to drive the cost down. And seeing as how I own two GS500's, I would love to see them progressed passed the 1989 design they've always had.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:32 AM   #26
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Not sure i want to see a 300cc or 400cc version. A 250cc is a great size. Bigger isnt always better. If you are tired of the 250cc, i doubt a 300cc or 400cc will make much of a difference. Might as well get a 650 ninja.

I think 250cc is a perfect motorcycle size for street riding, lets not bump displacement at all, its fine. Just improve it, and make a 250cc market with more makes like suzuki, yamaha, triumph etc..
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:25 PM   #27
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Can't wait to see the first test of the new Ninja vs. CBR250R. I've always liked Honda,
but wasn't a big fan of the CBR250R from a looks standpoint anyways. I'm sure its a nice bike. The new Ninja with FI and ABS will be a huge hit if the price is right, and the bike looks fantastic... looks very much like one of their bigger sport bikes, and I think it looks much better than the redesigned Ninja 650.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:57 PM   #28
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The looks are far more serious than the last gen which still kept that "almost a moped" look to it around the headlights and in tire size. As a 350-400 it would be a treat, 250 mild cc is just enough. Keeping the same bike with another 7-10 stock HP would only make it better.

I'm with Gryphon, give me a "premium" version with great suspension parts and maybe a more nasty front brake and we are talking!
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:26 PM   #29
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Can't wait to see the first test of the new Ninja vs. CBR250R. I've always liked Honda,
but wasn't a big fan of the CBR250R from a looks standpoint anyways. I'm sure its a nice bike. The new Ninja with FI and ABS will be a huge hit if the price is right, and the bike looks fantastic... looks very much like one of their bigger sport bikes, and I think it looks much better than the redesigned Ninja 650.
I honestly think its the best looking Ninja in the lineup right now...it will inevitably be a nice bike, but it is going to sell like crazy because it is so damn good looking.
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Not quite the same thing to me. For one thing what they sell in other countries has nothing to do with us here. Otherwise we wouldn't be complaining. And buying a bike for $7k only to detune it, doesn't really make any sense. When there are 250, and 500cc bikes around. Just wish there were more options, mostly to drive the cost down. And seeing as how I own two GS500's, I would love to see them progressed passed the 1989 design they've always had.

Okay, I see your point. In what way would want them have moved the GS500 forward?
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