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Old 11-08-2013, 02:13 PM   #3571
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First, the EICMA show annoucements are pretty Euro-centric and don't necessarily reflect what the US might get (or not get).

And some of Honda's best-sellers are not on the list (e.g., CR250L), so I doubt it is all-inclusive.

This being said, I doubt the CB1100 is a long-term bike for Honda, especially in the US market. Retro bikes tend to shorter lives as they exhaust their market pretty quickly and by nature, they're not cutting-edge bikes with new technology to attract new buyers every few years. It could be gone almost anytime.

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Jeeeez man, did you forger about the classic line from Triumph. Been around for awhile and still going strong. Guzzi doesn't have broads market appeal but their V7 cafe is doing very well..... For a Guzzi.

As always, YMMV.

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Old 11-08-2013, 09:58 PM   #3572
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"I guess I'll go back to wishing Kawasaki would bring over the W800 (not likely considering the sales flop of the w650)."

I've not given up on Kawasaki doing the right thing and selling the W800 in the U.S. But a "sales flop" for the W650? Well, that all depends. The W650 seems to be selling quite well on the used bike market these days.
Kawasaki gave up way too soon on that bike....
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:26 PM   #3573
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The beauty behind a retro bike is that it needs little improving.

You take a retro design, build it, and ship it. Give it new colors on an annual basis, and that's the extent of your investment. It's not like a crotch rocket where you have to continually improve, redesign, and reinvest to stay on the bleeding edge.

Keep it around and let the aftermarket both build the market appeal/desire and fill the performance gap.

Look at the Bonneville. Or anything from Harley Davidson for that matter.

Kawasaki failed because of myopic corporatism. The W650 is exponentially cooler than the Bonneville, yet they pissed away a perfectly good bike. Even the W800 was an unnecessary revision and a waste of money. Like the nostalgia crowd cares about incremental, unappreciable "improvements". It's a W650, not a Ninja 600.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:41 AM   #3574
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That's a great way to sum the market for these bikes, Omarius.
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:20 AM   #3575
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The beauty behind a retro bike is that it needs little improving.

You take a retro design, build it, and ship it. Give it new colors on an annual basis, and that's the extent of your investment. It's not like a crotch rocket where you have to continually improve, redesign, and reinvest to stay on the bleeding edge.

Keep it around and let the aftermarket both build the market appeal/desire and fill the performance gap.

Look at the Bonneville. Or anything from Harley Davidson for that matter.

Kawasaki failed because of myopic corporatism. The W650 is exponentially cooler than the Bonneville, yet they pissed away a perfectly good bike. Even the W800 was an unnecessary revision and a waste of money. Like the nostalgia crowd cares about incremental, unappreciable "improvements". It's a W650, not a Ninja 600.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:53 AM   #3576
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CB1100 = the next W650 in terms of short lived modern retro that will be highly sought after 10 years after they stop bringing it Stateside.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:18 AM   #3577
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CB1100 = the next W650 in terms of short lived modern retro that will be highly sought after 10 years after they stop bringing it Stateside.
In a way I hope you are wrong, I'd hate to have this bike fail in the market. I've wanted one for so long, but I'm in no position to buy one anytime soon.

In another, sad way, I hope you are right. Then I can buy one at the bottom of the market before they state to appreciate. Yup, and I can time the stock market too.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:18 AM   #3578
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Dave, I saw a used 1100 at a large, multi line dealership yesterday. It was spotless; even the tires were still new. Only 278 miles, and they are asking $8995. KBB shows a trade price of $5819 and a resale of $8515. Lot of play room there. BTW, they are not a Honda dealer, so the PO probably would have traded for a bike from a different mfgr.

I sat on it and the seat to peg distance, left me feeling cramped, with only a 30" inseam.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:59 AM   #3579
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A dealer in Hillsboro Oregon has a brand new CB1100 for $7500!
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:03 PM   #3580
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Given the recent goings on in D.C. and the economic ripples that have come of it; I think Honda may be pulling a Suzuki with this bike. No new model year until all the current new stock is sold.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:37 PM   #3581
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Most riders think they are cool but that doesn't really translate into buying one.

I think they are cool but for the price, theres plenty of other bikes that tickle my fancy.
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:54 PM   #3582
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I think the bike needs more power to sell well. It's really weak for an 1100 which means the only reason to buy it is on style alone.
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Old 11-10-2013, 04:24 PM   #3583
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I agree with jfman and Steve. The price and the articles I read that stated it ran great for a mid sized bike, but not a 1K+ "I4". That and its rider ergos felt more cramped than the 1970 SL350, I had in '71... Man that was a fun bike, and yes the engine was well modded. tp
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:22 PM   #3584
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I stopped by the local Honda dealership today. I asked the sales mgr how badly he wanted to move his CB1100.

He quoted me $10700 otd.

I told him I didn't want it that bad.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:31 PM   #3585
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A dealer in Hillsboro Oregon has a brand new CB1100 for $7500!

That's a deal..............
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