2013 Honda CB1100 - Page 37

markjenn · 12-25-2012, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryH

I have ridden both SOHC and DOHC Honda 750s. The SOHC definitely sounds better. It has a throaty growl to it, while the DOHC 16 valve has more of a high pitched whine. I don't know exactly what the difference is either.

I doubt it has much to do with the cam layout. More likely the consequence of continuing evolution in noise regulations and exhaust design over a decade between the SOHC and DOHC eras; when you quiet the exhaust, other noises become more noticeable. I doubt a new SOHC CB1100 would sound much different from a new DOHC one.

- Mark

Starkmojo · 12-25-2012, 07:02 PM

I have been lurking on this thread for awhile. Suffice it to say I would love one of these bikes even if I had the funds, They look stellar! I do not think the cb to sporty is really apples to apples- different bikes, different riding styles- different crowds. CB to Bonnie seems pretty close. with the Triumph being more retro vs Honda modern bike with classic touches.

I just it had that 70s big metal flake paint. That would be the perfect.

conchscooter · 12-25-2012, 07:32 PM

I have been lurking on this thread as well seeking information because the CB1100 look interesting even though hard numbers are hard to come by yet. In reading about comparisons with the Bonneville (which I have enjoyed for 5 years) and the Guzzi V7 no one mentioned the retro Ducatis that lasted a couple of years.

In speculating about the Honda it seems the CB1100 falls between the Bonneville/V7 style of lower performance retros and the Ducati which looked retro but rode by all accounts like a modern bike in all respects (except the fuel tank melted). Mind you the CB1100 rates the almost same horsepower as the NT700 Deauville...just kidding.

I thought about the Ducati momentarily and went with the Bonneville for what I hoped was a low maintenance durable bike that wouldn't consume tires and chains like a modern sportbike. After 70,000 miles the Bonneville has done very well. But I do like the more powerful Honda. Very much. And yes I like a windshield and bags for my daily rider. Bugger the looks.

Starkmojo · 12-26-2012, 04:14 AM

When it comes to HP I feel that the new CB1100 has enough for me- my current bikes 77 HP is fine with me, and before that my last two bikes were a 73 CL450and a 74 CB750... HP is not how I judge a bike, rather it is the smile I get riding it.

DesmoTull · 12-26-2012, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conchscooter

In speculating about the Honda it seems the CB1100 falls between the Bonneville/V7 style of lower performance retros and the Ducati which looked retro but rode by all accounts like a modern bike in all respects (except the fuel tank melted). Mind you the CB1100 rates the almost same horsepower as the NT700 Deauville...just kidding.

My biggest gripe about the Ducati GT1000 was the totally non adjustable forks...

At least you can adjust fork preload on the CB!

yogibiker · 12-26-2012, 06:29 AM

Not knowing much about tire/wheels, I am interested in the choice by Honda. Since the tire size affect handling and ride characteristics, would anyone hazard a guess as to why these choices were made by Honda?

As pointed out, these are some odd ball sizes. Was this neccessary to make this handle well? What does this tell us about the bike itself? Honda engineers must have made most of the decision.

DesmoTull · 12-26-2012, 06:55 AM

I believe this was brought up before... Here's some aftermarket tire options that will fit on this bike.

Front: 110/80R18M/C 58V
Rear: 140/70R18M/C 67V

Bridgestone BT-54 (OEM)

Dunlop D205 (OEM)

Pirelli Sport Deamon

I personally would go with the Pirellis. I've had them on a number of different bikes, and liked them alot.

dirtdreamer50 · 12-26-2012, 06:56 AM

I'm no tire genius, but the first 750's used 19" ft and 18" rr. The 18"s look more like the originals and probably allow the bike to handle in a similar manner. 17"s just wouldn't look right, to me. Wire wheels would really look nice but the comstar wheels probably cost less to build, and require no maintenance, like wires.

Considering the demographic this bike is designed for, most tires will be replaced by dealers, using OEM tires, not requiring other manufacturers to build several lines in Honda's sizes. Just my thoughts, could be totally off base. tomp dd50

DesmoTull · 12-26-2012, 07:05 AM

From some various magazines:

Cycle World

"Around town, the CB carries its claimed 545-pound curb weight well, providing agile handling. Once the pace is picked up on a twisty road, the narrow tire choices make sense. Turn-in is light and predictable, while midcorner stability is good right up to the point when footpeg feelers start digging into asphalt. The power of the front brakes, as well as the feel, is excellent for this application."

Motorcycle.com
"Conservative steering geometry (27.0-degree rake, 114mm trail) suggests ponderous handling qualities, but the CB1100 proves to be very easy to manage, whether flipping a U-turn in a parking lot or cutting up commuter traffic. Credit its relatively skinny tires (110/80/-18, 140/70-18) for the CB’s exceedingly linear and intuitive steering response. To borrow an expression from the Brits, it’s a doddle to maneuver."

others didn't really comment on tires yet...

skysailor · 12-26-2012, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesmoTull

My biggest gripe about the Ducati GT1000 was the totally non adjustable forks...

At least you can adjust fork preload on the CB!

My biggest gripe about the Ducati GT1000, is that Ducati stopped bringing it to NA!!! I just wasn't ready to pull the trigger on it, and then it was gone! I don't happen to like the Walter Mitty pseudo race bikes, that Ducati markets. Nor the praying dog cruiser style everybody else markets. I like standards. V7, Bonnies and the like. CB1100? Probably. Still waiting for the MSRP up here in the Great White North.
Lyle

dirtdreamer50 · 12-26-2012, 09:33 AM

Honda Canada website shows an MSRP of $13,199 Canadian dollars. tomp

skysailor · 12-26-2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtdreamer50

Honda Canada website shows an MSRP of $13,199 Canadian dollars. tomp

What is the American MSRP?
Lyle

Just looked up the US MSRP of 9900$?? Is this correct? If so, Honda Canada can go fuck themselves! Percentage wise, BMW and H-D are MUCH closer to US MSRP's! And, this will earn my business. It's really that simple. Canadian distributors HAVE to get this...or I hope they go tits up!

dirtdreamer50 · 12-26-2012, 11:50 AM

$9,999.00 base price, a thousand more for ABS. tp

DesmoTull · 12-26-2012, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysailor

What is the American MSRP?
Lyle

http://bit.ly/TjLxg3

skysailor · 12-26-2012, 11:57 AM

I think it's a great bike. At 11.5-12K CDN, I'm very interested. CDN version HAS ABS. Over that, I'll hunt elsewhere.

12-25-2012, 07:32 PM	#543
conchscooter Beastly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Keys Oddometer: 1,323	Retro Craze I have been lurking on this thread as well seeking information because the CB1100 look interesting even though hard numbers are hard to come by yet. In reading about comparisons with the Bonneville (which I have enjoyed for 5 years) and the Guzzi V7 no one mentioned the retro Ducatis that lasted a couple of years. In speculating about the Honda it seems the CB1100 falls between the Bonneville/V7 style of lower performance retros and the Ducati which looked retro but rode by all accounts like a modern bike in all respects (except the fuel tank melted). Mind you the CB1100 rates the almost same horsepower as the NT700 Deauville...just kidding. I thought about the Ducati momentarily and went with the Bonneville for what I hoped was a low maintenance durable bike that wouldn't consume tires and chains like a modern sportbike. After 70,000 miles the Bonneville has done very well. But I do like the more powerful Honda. Very much. And yes I like a windshield and bags for my daily rider. Bugger the looks. __________________ http://www.keywestdiary.us IBA#39,523 conchscooter screwed with this post 12-25-2012 at 08:34 PM

12-26-2012, 06:29 AM	#546
yogibiker Adventurer Joined: Feb 2011 Oddometer: 20	Not knowing much about tire/wheels, I am interested in the choice by Honda. Since the tire size affect handling and ride characteristics, would anyone hazard a guess as to why these choices were made by Honda? As pointed out, these are some odd ball sizes. Was this neccessary to make this handle well? What does this tell us about the bike itself? Honda engineers must have made most of the decision. yogibiker screwed with this post 12-26-2012 at 07:04 AM

12-26-2012, 06:55 AM	#547
DesmoTull Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2009 Oddometer: 100	Tires! I believe this was brought up before... Here's some aftermarket tire options that will fit on this bike. Front: 110/80R18M/C 58V Rear: 140/70R18M/C 67V Bridgestone BT-54 (OEM) Dunlop D205 (OEM) Pirelli Sport Deamon I personally would go with the Pirellis. I've had them on a number of different bikes, and liked them alot.

12-26-2012, 06:56 AM	#548
dirtdreamer50 long time rider Joined: May 2010 Location: texas coast Oddometer: 356	I'm no tire genius, but the first 750's used 19" ft and 18" rr. The 18"s look more like the originals and probably allow the bike to handle in a similar manner. 17"s just wouldn't look right, to me. Wire wheels would really look nice but the comstar wheels probably cost less to build, and require no maintenance, like wires. Considering the demographic this bike is designed for, most tires will be replaced by dealers, using OEM tires, not requiring other manufacturers to build several lines in Honda's sizes. Just my thoughts, could be totally off base. tomp dd50 __________________ Little Fauss: I was going faster than I ever went in my whole life, then I fell off.

12-26-2012, 09:33 AM	#551
dirtdreamer50 long time rider Joined: May 2010 Location: texas coast Oddometer: 356	Honda Canada website shows an MSRP of $13,199 Canadian dollars. tomp __________________ Little Fauss: I was going faster than I ever went in my whole life, then I fell off.

12-26-2012, 07:05 AM	#549
DesmoTull Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2009 Oddometer: 100	From some various magazines: Cycle World "Around town, the CB carries its claimed 545-pound curb weight well, providing agile handling. Once the pace is picked up on a twisty road, the narrow tire choices make sense. Turn-in is light and predictable, while midcorner stability is good right up to the point when footpeg feelers start digging into asphalt. The power of the front brakes, as well as the feel, is excellent for this application." Motorcycle.com "Conservative steering geometry (27.0-degree rake, 114mm trail) suggests ponderous handling qualities, but the CB1100 proves to be very easy to manage, whether flipping a U-turn in a parking lot or cutting up commuter traffic. Credit its relatively skinny tires (110/80/-18, 140/70-18) for the CB’s exceedingly linear and intuitive steering response. To borrow an expression from the Brits, it’s a doddle to maneuver." others didn't really comment on tires yet...

12-26-2012, 11:50 AM	#553
dirtdreamer50 long time rider Joined: May 2010 Location: texas coast Oddometer: 356	$9,999.00 base price, a thousand more for ABS. tp __________________ Little Fauss: I was going faster than I ever went in my whole life, then I fell off.

12-26-2012, 11:57 AM	#555
skysailor Rat Rider Joined: Oct 2007 Location: Kenora, Canada Oddometer: 2,798	I think it's a great bike. At 11.5-12K CDN, I'm very interested. CDN version HAS ABS. Over that, I'll hunt elsewhere.

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