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Old 10-14-2012, 05:15 AM   #76
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I think this bikes time has come here in the US. A lot of 40-55 year olds cut their teeth on UJM's and are ready to ditch their retro racers and replace them with a little nostalgia. Even if that's not a buyers motivation, it's a fine looking bike and a nice departure from the transformer trend of most current standards.
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:27 AM   #77
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I think this bikes time has come here in the US. A lot of 40-55 year olds cut their teeth on UJM's and are ready to ditch their retro racers and replace them with a little nostalgia. Even if that's not a buyers motivation, it's a fine looking bike and a nice departure from the transformer trend of most current standards.
Piss-poor sales of ZRXs and Bandits tell a different story.

Protip: Successful models sell out in the year they are released. Still pretty easy to get a 2011 1250FA and they aren't listed in the '13 model list AFAIK. I bet there will still be 0 mile FAs sold as new bikes this time next year too.

Why?

Because the people that like standards are cheap cunts that, while they talk a good game on the interwebs, don't generally buy new bikes.
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Old 10-14-2012, 06:57 AM   #78
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Piss-poor sales of ZRXs and Bandits tell a different story.

Protip: Successful models sell out in the year they are released. Still pretty easy to get a 2011 1250FA and they aren't listed in the '13 model list AFAIK. I bet there will still be 0 mile FAs sold as new bikes this time next year too.

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Because the people that like standards are cheap cunts that, while they talk a good game on the interwebs, don't generally buy new bikes.


I'm not sure I'd compare this Honda to a Bandit 1250. Sure they are both standards but the Honda is leans towards style where the 1250 leans towards sport touring.



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Old 10-14-2012, 07:27 AM   #79
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I'm not sure I'd compare this Honda to a Bandit 1250. Sure they are both standards but the Honda is leans towards style where the 1250 leans towards sport touring.



Very perceptive. Do you know why they didn't bring the naked Bandit over? Because it would have sold even worse.

Kawasaki makes an injected ZRX. Why don't they import it?

Won't sell.

Why isn't the W800 imported?

Won't sell.

I'm shocked that Yamaha brought over the FZ-8. Of course, there's still plenty of brand new 2011s left to choose from.

Ask an H-D dealer what kind of a tough sell an air-cooled bike with mids is. That's why they don't sell the XL with mids anymore.

I like the CB1100, but it won't sell well in the US. There simply aren't enough people that want an aircooled standard. Not even H-D could sell them in sufficient numbers.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:35 AM   #80
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Because the people that like standards are cheap cunts that, while they talk a good game on the interwebs, don't generally buy new bikes.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:58 AM   #81
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Off with his head!

I was wanting to buy a Honda when i got back into riding a few years ago but there was nothing that i liked. Then i saw these Zrx's and they looked alot like my Nighthawk S so i got one of those.

This cb needs a retangular headlight and more hp. Shaft drive would be nice too.
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Shaft drive? Come on, dude.
The request for a square headlight is even more baffling. There has never been a bike that looks better with a square headlight.
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:11 PM   #82
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Because the people that like standards are cheap cunts that, while they talk a good game on the interwebs, don't generally buy new bikes.
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Quit talkin 'bout me
I may be cheap, but I'm not easy!

There is a market for the Honda, but how sustainable would it be? Honda sold lots of Nighthawk 750 standards for years and years, but after a while everyone that wanted one had bought one.
The FZ8 isn't retro - it's mostly a de-contented FZ1, and subject to a different set of market issues.

It would be nice, in a perfect world, if we in the US could get neat bikes like the W800 and CB1100.
The wider choices available might make more than a few, er, "thrifty individuals" dust off their checkbooks.
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Old 10-14-2012, 08:01 PM   #83
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I may be cheap, but I'm not easy!

There is a market for the Honda, but how sustainable would it be? Honda sold lots of Nighthawk 750 standards for years and years, but after a while everyone that wanted one had bought one.
The FZ8 isn't retro - it's mostly a de-contented FZ1, and subject to a different set of market issues.

It would be nice, in a perfect world, if we in the US could get neat bikes like the W800 and CB1100.
The wider choices available might make more than a few, er, "thrifty individuals" dust off their checkbooks.
Those thrifty individuals didn't buy the W650 and my local Honda dealer had a brand-new, never titled 1998 NH750 on the showroom floor until about May of 2001.

Not saying the W800 & CB1100 aren't cool. Because they are.

They will not sell in adequate volume to justify a big company like one of the big 4 bringing them over though. There simply aren't enough Luddites with the cash that aren't already riding a Guzzi, Triumph, or mid-control H-D and are willing to take the depreciation hit.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:00 AM   #84
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With that logic, Yamaha should never have brought over the Tenere because the Transalp was a sales flop in the US in the late 80's .


Times change.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:49 AM   #85
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With that logic, Yamaha should never have brought over the Tenere because the Transalp was a sales flop in the US in the late 80's .


Times change.
And they haven't been out long enough to tell yet.

If there are brand new 2012 S10s for sale in 2014, it was a flop. Hopefully it won't be.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:50 AM   #86
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I feel like I should say that here in Western North Carolina, the local Honda shop in Asheville sells every CB1100 they can get their hands on, but the bandits and FZ8, along with other standards, seem to be showroom potatoes. The last one they had was a dealer trade they had to do to get it because they had already sold out their allocation for the year. I was there when the customer picked up, and it was a straight up "shut up and take my money" type deal. So far so good for the cb11 around here at least. We got 1 local who does the commute on his.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:57 AM   #87
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I think the Honda CB1100 is way cool! Great looking bike, and I would LOVE to own one.

But would I buy one if Honda brought it to the US? Not likely. I'm a one bike guy (at least that's what my wife says) and I need something that can do do two up duty with comfort and ease. That's why there is a Nomad in the parking lot right now. I am sure the Honda has plenty of motor for two up work, but not enough room for the two of us to be comfortable for very long.

Now if things should change and I could get a second bike, I would be on the CB1100 like bugs on a windshield!

I hope Honda brings it, but I don't think they will. And if they do, I don't think it will sell in sufficient numbers to keep it around very long.

Frankly, as much as I like the 1100, I would rather have the CB1300 Bol'd Or...

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The request for a square headlight is even more baffling. There has never been a bike that looks better with a square headlight.
Werd. It must be some kind of sense memory thing for him. It just takes me back to finicky ujm's that had mediocre power and the hat trick of frames that were both squirmy and heavy. The modern standards like the CB1100 are what make me think we're living in the golden era of standard bikes. They have style, power, some have great suspenders, wonderful engines, and are easily serviced. square or rectangle headlights? No spank you.

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I feel like I should say that here in Western North Carolina, the local Honda shop in Asheville sells every CB1100 they can get their hands on, but the bandits and FZ8, along with other standards, seem to be showroom potatoes. The last one they had was a dealer trade they had to do to get it because they had already sold out their allocation for the year. I was there when the customer picked up, and it was a straight up "shut up and take my money" type deal. So far so good for the cb11 around here at least. We got 1 local who does the commute on his.
How do they sell a bike that has not been imported to the US?
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haha! Yeah, I realized my goof and came back to change it.
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