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Old 08-26-2012, 10:18 AM   #31
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Think I'll go with a short barrelled pump 12. Bird shot for "lunch" in survival situations. Small enough to pack IN a backpack. Really like the flare capabilities. Don't like the pistol grips though. Tried one and my right wrist was hamburger for two days! Again, I don't hunt.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:22 AM   #32
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It's also very hard to aquire and hold your sight picture with a pistol grip pump gun. Best to be able to pull it in tight and hold it there while you work it.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:44 AM   #33
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Polar bears are breeding with grizzly bears. Many have panda like circles around their eyes.

http://www.adn.com/2012/04/26/244091...ar-hybrid.html

When i was reloading for revolvers, this guy started his business, still might be top shelf.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:46 AM   #34
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Polar bears around Lake Winnipeg?? Really???

No no.... Out in Hudson bay. They hang around Churchill and York Factory.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #35
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explain the reason why alternating between buckshot and slugs is a good idea?

I've seen it recommended many, many times and it makes absolutely no sense to me.

If I need a slug why in the world would I be loading a round of buckshot in between what I need to stop the threat?
I agree with you completely. Maybe these folks are shooting at multiple zombies. Buckshot for those about to bite and slugs for the ones just coming over the wall?

Carry the correct ammo for the target you expect. Tube magazine pumps are easy to reload on the fly so carrying other types of ammo does make sense if conditions change.

As one poster mentioned don't go too short on barrel length, slug loads use slower burning powder. 18" is a good practical minimum. Try some loads at dusk in different barrel lengths; a big flame indicates lost velocity (powder not burned in the barrel).
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:56 AM   #36
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Ruger 10/22 Yep I said it because A1FA isn't here to spread his knowledge on how the .22 is the ultimate rifle round.

I would go 12ga smooth barrel. Slugs, buck shot, bird shot, target it will shoot em all.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:02 PM   #37
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The Guide Gun is a good choice, and pretty cool. OTOH, a pump or semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun loaded with slugs or alternating slugs and 00 Buck would be equally effective as bear protection, maybe even better. Since you're not going to be hunting you're not overly concerned about long-range performance.
From all I have heard there is pretty much no such thing as shooting an attacking grizzly? Your as good as dead? Anyone ever successfully done it? How many have tried and failed?
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #38
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From all I have heard there is pretty much no such thing as shooting an attacking grizzly? Your as good as dead? Anyone ever successfully done it? How many have tried and failed?
I recall a recent story, Idaho I believe. Kid hunting with his Dad and another adult. Kid slightly apart from the adults. They here a shot or two go and investigate and find one live teenager, one dead bear. IIRC it was with a 44 magnum revolver.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:09 PM   #39
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And here is another:

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King season is over, and since I had a

day off before silvers start, I
Thought I would go for a walk! This
occurred at 11:16 am this morning
(Sunday), just 2/10 of a mile from
my house, ON OUR ROAD while walking
My dogs (trying to get in shape
for hunting season, ironically!) for the
Record, this is in a
residential area-not back in the woods, no
Bow hunting, no stealth
occurring...

I heard a twig snap, and looked back...full on
charge-a huge brownie,
Ears back, head low and motorin' full speed!
Came with zero warning; no
Woof, no popping of the teeth, no standing
up, nothing like what you
Think or see on TV! It charged from less
than 20 yards and was on me in
About one-second! Totally surreal-I
just started shooting in the general
Direction, and praise God that
my second shot (or was it my third?)
Rolled him at 5 feet and he
skidded to a stop 10 feet BEYOND where I was
Shooting from-I actually
sidestepped him and fell over backwards on the
Last shot, and his
momentum carried him to a stop past where I fired my
First shot!

It was a prehistoric old boar-no teeth, no fat-weighed
between 900-1000
Lbs and took five men to DRAG it onto a tilt-bed
trailer! Big bear-its
Paw measured out at about a 9 1/2 footer!

Never-ever-thought "it" would happen to me! It’s always
some other smuck, Right?
Well, no bull- I am still high on adrenaline,
with my gut in a Knot. Feels like I did 10000 crunches
without stopping! Almost puked for
An hour after, had the burps and
couldn't even stand up as the troopers
Conducted their investigation!
Totally wiped me out-cant even put that
Feeling into words, by far
the most emotion I have ever felt at once!

No doubt that God was
with me, as I brought my Ruger .454 Casull (and
Some "hot" 350 grain
solids) just for the heck of it, and managed to
Draw and snap shoot
(pointed, never even aimed!) from the hip! Total
Luck shot!

All I can say is Praise God for my safety and for choosing
to leave theWife and kids at home on this walk!
Got a charter tomorrow, so gonna TRY
To get some sleep now!

Talk to ya soon,
-Greg Brush
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:14 PM   #40
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last year, seven grizzly bears were killed by hunters and hikers in self-defense situations in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. Teton County Attorney Steve Weichman, who prosecuted the Westmoreland case, said it is one of the first instances in the country where a person was convicted of taking wildlife when claiming self-defense.
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=6025
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:23 PM   #41
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Best bear gun?



Don't go where the bear go!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #42
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And here is another:



God had nothing to do with it. You made a point of packing the .454. God didn't. Neither did your dog. That's one really big bear though.
Why do people always thank God?
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:42 PM   #43
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God had nothing to do with it. You made a point of packing the .454. God didn't. Neither did your dog. That's one really big bear though.
Lyle

Skysailor-- let's keep the religious stuff in CSM please-- becomes heated quickly.
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:45 PM   #44
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Skysailor-- let's keep the religious stuff in CSM please-- becomes heated quickly.
Sorry 'bout that....good idea. Another time...over beer. CDN beer!
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Old 08-26-2012, 12:46 PM   #45
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Being that I'm in Canada (read Granny State, as far as hand guns go) it has to be a long gun or shotgun.
I do a lot of hiking and biking in bear country. I don't hunt. I would only shoot anything to avoid being eaten!
What do all you gun savvy Yanks recommend for a defensive bear gun? I know if I was hunting bear, I'd use something along the lines of a .300 WSM with a big old scope, but what's best if the bear is hunting ME?
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Big can of bear spray, especially if you are not experienced with firearms.
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