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Old 03-14-2013, 11:58 PM   #3826
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I finally got the bike back from Bazzaz where they developed the Z-Fi fuel controller for the LRP.

I'm waiting on a summery of what they found from Jason in the R&D department along with the various dyno graphs, hopefully he will join us in this thread to answer any questions also, I'll do my best communicating what he told me for now.
Basically they made numerous maps for the LRP with and without aftermarket exhaust, using a Yoshimura slip on and the stock exhaust. They also did maps with the airbox mod, and without by taping it closed.
What he told me is that they saw improved high RPM power gains with the Yoshi pipe and more improved low/mid end gains with the OEM can. Back pressure helps with the torque apparently. I had the choice to buy the Yoshi pipe from them, but passed, wanting better low end for the DS bike instead of high end gains, I like torque mo better for trail riding and am a cheap bastard anyways even though it was a gorgeous looking can.

With the Bazzaz controller I can switch between two maps stored in the controller on the fly, right now I have the "Power" map for stock exhaust and a blank map (OEM) stored, basically giving me Power and Economy at the flick of a switch. Jason said with the Power map we could see a 25% decrease in MPG, as the bike was running very lean, especially in the mid-range RPM's and throttle position.
Once I get some time I'm going to hook my laptop up and strap it to the tank bag and go for a ride to see where the throttle position and RPM's are on average while cruising on the highway, keep the leaner settings in that cruising throttle/RPM range, but copy over the settings from the performance map for the rest of the throttle positions, giving us the same MPG while cruising but more power in other places. Keeping the ability to be more efficient some of the time is important to us where we end up riding, out of necessity for survival.... Or something like that, with the easy to use software it's something we can play with to see what works for us. I like options.
No more performance mods for us, an improvement in torque and low RPM power is welcomed and perfect for our types of riding, but I wouldn't want to jeopardize taking away reliability by adding too much more power, but that's just me. Having something break while getting Lost in the desert would be very bad, I hate hiking in MC boots.

I'll save my reviews of performance for after we get some miles on the bike, heading back to Death Valley for a week long DS ride in a few days which will be perfect testing grounds with lots of various DS riding.
Hey Lost,
Is this a plug and play type thing? Interested, but I am not as technically proficient as you with the EFI computer mochismo! Any intel on pricing?
Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:44 AM   #3827
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I'll ask the Leo Vince if they wouldn't mind running a before/after db check when I get mine.
awesome, thanks!

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Do you know if the Leo Vince will have the bracket for the re-installation of the rear number plate panel and the if the header will have the tabs to remount the factory heat shield?

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Nope, all I know is it's in the works.
You can contact them and see what's what, even make a suggestion or two before the final product's released- very friendly folks & don't mind chatting.
http://www.leovinceusa.com/index.php .
hmm, sounds like the more the merrier, as I'd like the those brackets too!

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Old 03-15-2013, 06:15 AM   #3828
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have had "illegal " bulbs in all my bikes with no problems yet... anyone else??? I do like the leds, but too im too mm err Frugal

Me too :-) I haven't tried it but would like to know as well..
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:48 AM   #3829
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I finally got the bike back from Bazzaz where they developed the Z-Fi fuel controller for the LRP.

I'm waiting on a summery of what they found from Jason in the R&D department along with the various dyno graphs, hopefully he will join us in this thread to answer any questions also, I'll do my best communicating what he told me for now.
Basically they made numerous maps for the LRP with and without aftermarket exhaust, using a Yoshimura slip on and the stock exhaust. They also did maps with the airbox mod, and without by taping it closed.
What he told me is that they saw improved high RPM power gains with the Yoshi pipe and more improved low/mid end gains with the OEM can. Back pressure helps with the torque apparently. I had the choice to buy the Yoshi pipe from them, but passed, wanting better low end for the DS bike instead of high end gains, I like torque mo better for trail riding and am a cheap bastard anyways even though it was a gorgeous looking can.

With the Bazzaz controller I can switch between two maps stored in the controller on the fly, right now I have the "Power" map for stock exhaust and a blank map (OEM) stored, basically giving me Power and Economy at the flick of a switch. Jason said with the Power map we could see a 25% decrease in MPG, as the bike was running very lean, especially in the mid-range RPM's and throttle position.
Once I get some time I'm going to hook my laptop up and strap it to the tank bag and go for a ride to see where the throttle position and RPM's are on average while cruising on the highway, keep the leaner settings in that cruising throttle/RPM range, but copy over the settings from the performance map for the rest of the throttle positions, giving us the same MPG while cruising but more power in other places. Keeping the ability to be more efficient some of the time is important to us where we end up riding, out of necessity for survival.... Or something like that, with the easy to use software it's something we can play with to see what works for us. I like options.
No more performance mods for us, an improvement in torque and low RPM power is welcomed and perfect for our types of riding, but I wouldn't want to jeopardize taking away reliability by adding too much more power, but that's just me. Having something break while getting Lost in the desert would be very bad, I hate hiking in MC boots.

I'll save my reviews of performance for after we get some miles on the bike, heading back to Death Valley for a week long DS ride in a few days which will be perfect testing grounds with lots of various DS riding.


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Bazzaz software hooked up to bike with it idling:


NICE!!! Been out of town. Nice to come home to this info. Looking forward to you results.
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:07 AM   #3830
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Hey Lost,
Is this a plug and play type thing? Any intel on pricing?
Thanks in advance.




It is plug and play, the module is located near the tail light with a wiring harness that jumps through various plugs on the bike. I didn't install mine but can see the harness and have Bazzaz controllers on other bikes. The various maps that Bazzaz made should be available for download on their site, but I would imagine it would come preloaded with maps too.
The software is very easy to use for those that want to tinker, plug in the USB to computer, open app and then click on one of the boxes and type in a different value, or click and drag to select multiple boxes. You can see in real time what's happening, including throttle position and RPM's or switching between maps. I've saved the original map that came on the unit to my computer so I can always go back to it if I'd like.
My initial impressions is there are noticeable gains, especially in the low/mid range, but that was street riding, the real test will be off tarmac.
Again, for us, having the ability to switch between more power or better fuel economy makes this the perfect product for dual sport ADV riding.


I didn't see it up on their site yet, but the other kits they sell are $345 I think. The switch is separate, but you can use any simple on/off switch or just use the included jumper to switch maps too.



Kiwi:
I believe Bazzaz was talking about the various gains with their controller with OEM vs. aftermarket pipes, hopefully Jason will join us in this thread to shed more light on his findings.



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Old 03-15-2013, 04:43 PM   #3831
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awesome, thanks!






hmm, sounds like the more the merrier, as I'd like the those brackets too!

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Yep, for sure, I just e-mailed them I'll let ya know if i hear anything in response, like you said "more the merrier"...
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:31 PM   #3832
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Hey guys, My brother has a CBR250R, and I have the CRF250L, so I borrowed his wheels to see if they would fit, and.......


They need some modifications, but very little. The biggest one is I need to find a rotor to fit the front without any offset, they CBR250R rotor has offset and hits the caliper mounting on the CRF250L because of it.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:04 PM   #3833
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cell phone pics for the winn!!!




Looks like the back rim would fit too, I'll confirm asap. The front needs a new rotor as I mentioned and a caliper spacer / extender to fit a bigger rotor then we're golden, I hope. The caliper bolts on the CBR are 55mm center to center, help finding a suitable rotor would be awsome!

Measured my CRF450R dual chamber forks and looks like those would fit, and eyeballin the shock looks like that would fit, just gotta find some time to try it all out and I'll let you guys know!!!
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:10 PM   #3834
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just saw the bazzaz post, I hope they release the bazzaz asap! and beat power commander to the punch! I really love bazzaz and need a good tuner for the crf before I invest in exhausts and swap in a CBR throttle body :)
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:27 PM   #3835
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Right- so I've cancelled my order for a slip on FMF Q4 and with the available funds I will get a EJK tuner- not enough money for the Bazzaz unit! I really am struggling to fully understand the EJK tuner, it appears there are multiple programs you can choose from, I'm not sure how it all works! I am assuming that one can always come back to stock settings? In any case, I just came back from testing "RECON 1" (sorry, I refuse to call my CRF the "little red pig"!) on a track called the 42nd Traverse (over here in NZ). In stock form, with only a 13T front sprocket mod, Recon 1 absolutely nailed this tight bush track. I did have to do some slipping of the clutch (while in 2nd gear) when going up some steep inclines but I'm picking the EJK should help in that respect. Awesome bike. And my stalling issue seems to have gone away!!
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:53 AM   #3836
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I allready ordered the full kit with EJK Programmer, FMF Q4 and the Megabomb.. But to be honest after reading all the comments and reactions to the sound level, I started to have second thoughts and even scared a bit...

I mean I think the bike is too silent the way it is, but this doesn't mean that I want anything obnoxious... I'm riding the bike on the street during the week for commuting and off road during weekends.

I hope the sound level will not be so high that I will be shamed to fire it up around the neighbourhood.

I also noticed that some users saying that the MegaBomb is also increasing the loudness? But the web site and the FMF Racing keep insisting that Megabomb is a premuffler that is reducing the sound level compared to the only end can application? Any coments or thoughts?

PS: and the funny thing is, there is not a single decent and proper video that gives a true understanding of the sound of this setup...
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:56 AM   #3837
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Right- so I've cancelled my order for a slip on FMF Q4 and with the available funds I will get a EJK tuner- not enough money for the Bazzaz unit! I really am struggling to fully understand the EJK tuner, it appears there are multiple programs you can choose from, I'm not sure how it all works! I am assuming that one can always come back to stock settings? In any case, I just came back from testing "RECON 1" (sorry, I refuse to call my CRF the "little red pig"!) on a track called the 42nd Traverse (over here in NZ). In stock form, with only a 13T front sprocket mod, Recon 1 absolutely nailed this tight bush track. I did have to do some slipping of the clutch (while in 2nd gear) when going up some steep inclines but I'm picking the EJK should help in that respect. Awesome bike. And my stalling issue seems to have gone away!!
Watched that track on you tube, looks like fun!
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:04 AM   #3838
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I allready ordered the full kit with EJK Programmer, FMF Q4 and the Megabomb.. But to be honest after reading all the comments and reactions to the sound level, I started to have second thoughts and even scared a bit...

I mean I think the bike is too silent the way it is, but this doesn't mean that I want anything obnoxious... I'm riding the bike on the street during the week for commuting and off road during weekends.

I hope the sound level will not be so high that I will be shamed to fire it up around the neighbourhood.

I also noticed that some users saying that the MegaBomb is also increasing the loudness? But the web site and the FMF Racing keep insisting that Megabomb is a premuffler that is reducing the sound level compared to the only end can application? Any coments or thoughts?

PS: and the funny thing is, there is not a single decent and proper video that gives a true understanding of the sound of this setup...
I have not got my bike back yet but, from my understanding adding just the slip on is the loudest. With the power bomb it will be quieter and the megabomb is the quietest. If you feel it is still too loud wich I don't think it will be except maybe on full throttle. There are some mods you can do.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:39 AM   #3839
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Speaking from Mods , i mod my Air filter today.

Last week at the 1000 Km Service (400 THB inc. Oil and Filters ) i let install a new Airfilter and request to get the old one .

If some don't know , here is how he looks .

Front


Back


Very thick oily Paper

I cut the Paper out and clean it up with a Dremel


Got a Hurricane Performance Airfilter for a 3 l Toyota Pick up



Cut this Filter with a Cutting Disk to Size to fit the CRF Filter Frame.



And Hot Glue it in the Filter Frame for the CRF .



Same Filter i run in my XR 280 and XL636 now for 35000 / 22000 km with no
Problems . Maybe not the thing for Dessert Racers but for my XR280 Sumo and my Touring XL good enough . Never had a Issue with Dirt in front of the Filter . On a Test years ago i fit the XL Foamfilter in a Box with the Hurricane Stainless Filter in front und try to suck in Talkum Powder and flour dust via a Industry size vacoum Cleaner .

No Dust in the Foam Filter , the Hurricane Stailess mesh Filter catch like 99% of the dust . Good enough for me .

How the CRF like this Mod ? I will find out tomorrow .
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