2013 Honda CBR500R and CB500F

[Grainbelt]

ABS is a $500 option here, same as with the CBR250R.

Originally Posted by RaY YreKa

With regard to the X price, I guess you are paying for the beak.

[fragile_this_side_up]

saw them at the show yesterday. i want the X so bad. have wanted it for some time. sitting on it makes me really want it as my next bike...

[OConnor]

Can't find much on the CBR500 in race trim. Anyone got any better pics/info?

[Navin]

These guys have a dyno chart I've seen but don't see on the site,

http://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php

44.4 RWHP with a full exhaust, up about 1 HP from the stock test. The HP and tq curves are very linear and within 1-2 HP and a ft-lb or two between the two tests. It drops off at 8500 and is done at 9,000 RPM. If it rides like the chart looks it will be competent but dull IMO.

If I find a postable chart I'll get it here.

[Navin]

Try this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZBPFr7iJs

[OConnor]

Originally Posted by Navin

These guys have a dyno chart I've seen but don't see on the site,

http://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php

44.4 RWHP with a full exhaust, up about 1 HP from the stock test. The HP and tq curves are very linear and within 1-2 HP and a ft-lb or two between the two tests. It drops off at 8500 and is done at 9,000 RPM. If it rides like the chart looks it will be competent but dull IMO.

If I find a postable chart I'll get it here.

So the hp of a 450 single. Hopefully there will be some performance upgrades available eventually. I'd like to see mid 50's.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by OConnor

So the hp of a 450 single.

Without the durability of the single of that power, thankfully.

Originally Posted by OConnor

Hopefully there will be some performance upgrades available eventually. I'd like to see mid 50's.

Like with the NC700X, highly unlikely.

[Navin]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Without the durability of the single of that power, thankfully.
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IDK, my 2000 DRZ 400 made about 45 crank HP with its FCR and a full exhaust. It wasn't a time bomb by any measure, and only 400cc, no BB kit. I have no doubt a 500cc thumper can live at 45 RWHP for a very long time, I've had a 520, 525 and now a 530 KTM just going and going and going.

I've owned a bunch of parallel twins even though I'm not really a fan of the design. One thing they all did/do was wail. This sounds like it will be a bit of a dullard, especially at that weight.

[Grainbelt]

Originally Posted by Navin

I've owned a bunch of parallel twins even though I'm not really a fan of the design. One thing they all did/do was wail. This sounds like it will be a bit of a dullard, especially at that weight.

IMS was here last weekend - I'll say one thing, they got the rider triangle perfect on the F and R models. the X is weird like the versys, high bars don't match the somewhat rearset pegs. The packaging and finish are reasonably good. Certainly a lot of bike for the cash.

As for the motor, if it feels like the Ninja 650, it'll work. If it feels like the F800, I'm out. Somewhere in the middle.... I dunno.

[Navin]

We don't ride dynos but if that chart is any indication the Kawi 650 is a real hot rod in comparison to the Honda IMO. My 300 stock was kinda dull too, great midrange and torque that fell off sharply at 10,500. The 13000 redline was useless. now with a pipe & tune it is fun to scream it with gains everywhere else too.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/co...r/viewall.html

near 20ish more RWHP? Yeah, that ain't this 500.

[Moonshiner]

Originally Posted by Grainbelt

IMS was here last weekend - I'll say one thing, they got the rider triangle perfect on the F and R models. the X is weird like the versys, high bars don't match the somewhat rearset pegs. The packaging and finish are reasonably good. Certainly a lot of bike for the cash.

As for the motor, if it feels like the Ninja 650, it'll work. If it feels like the F800, I'm out. Somewhere in the middle.... I dunno.

I totally agree with the statement about the F and R models. I really liked the R model.

The thing is, the 500's will be good options for beginner bikes. Power won't be as big of a concern.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by Grainbelt

As for the motor, if it feels like the Ninja 650, it'll work. If it feels like the F800, I'm out. Somewhere in the middle.... I dunno.

You realize that the Ninja makes a LOT less power than the F800, right? And even if the 54 crank hp rumored for the 500 is true, this is going to be well down on the reported 60 or so at the rear wheel the 650 makes. So the 500 isn't going to be "somewhere in the middle".

- Mark

[Grainbelt]

I said 'feels like', not 'looks like on dyno chart'.

The 650R makes much less power than the 800, but has a lighter flywheel and likes to rev. Fun. The F800 is a snoozer to ride, they seemingly tuned it to feel like a boxer motor, all torque and either the flywheel is real heavy or that high-tech counterbalancer is wasting energy. On paper, the F800 makes more power and is, when measured objectively, faster.

I don't care, I just want a fun bike.

If the power from the little 500 comes on nicely and it revs freely and happily, I'll consider it. Hard to tell things things by peak power at WFO on a dyno chart.

[Jimmy the Heater]

I understand totally about the F800 vs the Ninja 650 motor. Would pick the 650 Kawi motor any day of the week.

I'm hoping these new 500's feel like the Kawi 650 and not the Kawi 500 tho. Had a Ninja 500 and while it made enough power for sure, I hated the character of the engine. The 650 is worlds better.

[scooterspirit]

Probably has decent poke around town @30 ft lbs torque, almost twice the ninja300. The appeal to me is- it rides like a Honda, and gets the best mpg.