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Old 02-19-2013, 08:09 AM   #376
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The VFR1200 has the horn and turn signal same as the 700 and 500. There really is no standard between brands and bikes, it seems every 20 or 30 years it changes and all the 20 and 30 year olds get bent.
Well, I'm 42, but only been riding for a few years. It seems odd to me that this cycle happens. I mean, what if someone came out with a bike where the front brake and clutch were reversed?

As far as adjusting to it, I can get that - especially if only riding one bike at a time. But I find it a bit of a pain when going back and forth between cars with different control layouts - not for turn signals, pedals, etc. Those are standardized. But for headlights and the like, it can get annoying in moments, and I want those things to be second nature. I guess I'm not as flexible as others in that regard. So as my stable grows, I'll try to keep the same control scheme for all when it comes to motorcycles.

Interestingly enough, BMW switched to what I will call standardized controls (since most of the bikes on the road these days fit the bill) when updating their F800ST to the GT.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:15 AM   #377
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I liked the look of them in person, but can't for the life of me figure out why Honda has decided to go non-standard in their switchgear. Is this how scooters are set up or something? It started with the NC700X, and now it extends to the 700 series and 500 series. By "it" I'm referring to moving the horn to where the turn signals are typically found, and vice versa. I found it odd, since the other Hondas there (CBR250, Fury, CB1100, Wing and variants) all had the standard setup.
I hit the horn _once_ on the bike I borrowed for 3-4 times now, it's a
non-issue, you get used to it on day one IMHO.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:21 AM   #378
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Weighing 192 kg and making 47 bhp at 8500 rpm, the F's acceleration is never going to tear the forearms off anyone, but the smooth, linear power delivery means it can be hustled. That and the unassuming engine note meant I often found myself doing 15-20 mph more than I thought I was, and on open stretches it was easy enough to hit 100 mph without feeling especially fussed (though the wind buffeting makes it less than ideal to sit at those speeds).

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Importantly, there's a lovely blob of torque right when you need it, between about 3000 and 5000 rpm, peaking at 31.7 lb-ft at 7000 rpm. Twist the throttle in any gear and the CB500F surges forward with a 'yes, sir!' For a good while I enjoyed a lazy spell of torquey twisties, riding the torque bulges and peaks with minimal gear changing.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:29 AM   #379
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all stuff that i like to hear..
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:45 AM   #380
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The header is a nice homage to the 400F.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:47 AM   #381
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The header is a nice homage to the 400F.
The 4-cyl CB1100 has a kink like the old 400F.

The CB500 is just like the ER-6.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:24 AM   #382
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all stuff that i like to hear..
Likewise.

The X is being advertised for 4950 here. Affordable biking.

(for comparison, G650GS is closer to 6000, DL650 and Versys 7000).

The F is 4650.

Black, free heated grips, 109 a month. Bargain.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-...item4ac160f2e6
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:42 AM   #383
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Well, I'm 42, but only been riding for a few years. It seems odd to me that this cycle happens. I mean, what if someone came out with a bike where the front brake and clutch were reversed?
Since 1974 the FEDS have decreed which sides the throttle, clutch, rear brake and shifter are on.
Prior to that, H-D Sportsters shifted on the right (like their British competitors) and H-D big twins shifted on the left.
Indians had left hand throttles, but could be moved to the right if desired.
To sell to a PD that had Indians, Harley was known to outfit bikes with left hand throttles, too.
This was in the hand-shift, foot clutch days.

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:05 AM   #384
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Now that is one sharp looking naked bike!

It makes me knowing that the U.S. won't be getting the Red bikes this year, they look sharp! Add a center-stand and windscreen/luggage for longer trips and I'm all over it!

I would buy the 500x, but I'm thinking the price difference will be significant.

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:07 AM   #385
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Now that is one sharp looking naked bike!

It makes me knowing that the U.S. won't be getting the Red bikes this year, they look sharp! Add a center-stand and windscreen/luggage for longer trips and I'm all over it!

I would buy the 500x, but I'm thinking the price difference will be significant.

-Jake
Only 300 here, if that's relevant.

As I understand it, extras are the same across the range (hard luggage, c/stand, h/grips, higher shield, extra lighting).
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:12 AM   #386
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Only 300 here, if that's relevant.

As I understand it, extras are the same across the range (hard luggage, c/stand, h/grips, higher shield, extra lighting).
If it's only $500 USD here the 500F may not sell very well

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:51 AM   #387
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Well, I'm 42, but only been riding for a few years. It seems odd to me that this cycle happens. I mean, what if someone came out with a bike where the front brake and clutch were reversed?

As far as adjusting to it, I can get that - especially if only riding one bike at a time. But I find it a bit of a pain when going back and forth between cars with different control layouts - not for turn signals, pedals, etc. Those are standardized. But for headlights and the like, it can get annoying in moments, and I want those things to be second nature. I guess I'm not as flexible as others in that regard. So as my stable grows, I'll try to keep the same control scheme for all when it comes to motorcycles.

Interestingly enough, BMW switched to what I will call standardized controls (since most of the bikes on the road these days fit the bill) when updating their F800ST to the GT.
We needn't worry about clutch handles and brakes moving around. The Federal Highway Safety Act of 1966 standardized major controls on motor vehicles sold in the US. It took several years to implement the provisions but this legislation did away with various hand and foot control locations common to brands or country of origin. The Act did not cover position of lighting and horn controls so these do vary between brands and models - and variation is the spice of life.

Since you mentioned BMW note that they had horn over turn signal from the 70's until the early 90's, then a separate left and right with a single cancel button from first oilheads of 1993, then the K1300 (??) several model years back switched to your so-called "standard" arrangement of horn under turn signal. The latter has caused much grief to the party faithful who lament "giving in" to the so-called "Japanese" standard. Now Honda is changing back to horn over turn signal that they had in the 70's and 80s.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:58 PM   #388
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192kg.. hm.. that's considerably lighter then the NC700X (or S), and
having the same power.. well.. this thing should be faster then the NC700
series!

Just wanna feel the vibes, I'm really dissappointed they didn't do the 270
crank thing on it, but they probably know what they're doing.

One interesting price-wise development here in EU (well, Croatia at least).
The CB500X and NC700X are $3 apart in price.

That's not good.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:03 PM   #389
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looks like the perfect comuter bike.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:07 PM   #390
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192kg.. hm.. that's considerably lighter then the NC700X (or S), and
having the same power.. well.. this thing should be faster then the NC700
series!

Just wanna feel the vibes, I'm really dissappointed they didn't do the 270
crank thing on it, but they probably know what they're doing.

One interesting price-wise development here in EU (well, Croatia at least).
The CB500X and NC700X are $3 apart in price.

That's not good.
Really?!! $3!!!!!!
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