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Old 02-27-2013, 09:25 AM   #436
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The old Ninja 500 was a hoot at top revs too. I'm sure these will be effective for many, and great for European regs but right now there is no weight to power limits in the USA so I can be as disappointed as I want!
Don't you ride a Euro-reg Ninja 300?
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:29 AM   #437
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Don't you ride a Euro-reg Ninja 300?

It used to be...

And it was dull, boring and effective as delivered. It redlined at 13,000 but was dead by 10,700. Midrange up the ass, but not any scream. Compared to the Ninja 250 it was a stump puller but frigging boring as anything. It ain't like that no more, been Americunized, or properly Japuneesed. It still has the mid but actually pulls to the soft limiter at 12,500, it is FUN now. It feels now like the original motor engineer was at the table, not the Euro regulation representative!
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:48 AM   #438
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I was there too. I liked the look of them in person, but can't for the life of me figure out why Honda has decided to go non-standard in their switchgear. Is this how scooters are set up or something? It started with the NC700X, and now it extends to the 700 series and 500 series. By "it" I'm referring to moving the horn to where the turn signals are typically found, and vice versa. I found it odd, since the other Hondas there (CBR250, Fury, CB1100, Wing and variants) all had the standard setup.


The reason is to accommodate the shift switches on the DCT models. Ideal placement of the shift switches required some adjustment to the switch arrangements and I guess Honda have started to go in this direction for future models since DCT will be adapted to so many of them.
Best explanation I have heard yet. Thank you.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:52 AM   #439
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It used to be...

And it was dull, boring and effective as delivered. It redlined at 13,000 but was dead by 10,700. Midrange up the ass, but not any scream. Compared to the Ninja 250 it was a stump puller but frigging boring as anything. It ain't like that no more, been Americunized, or properly Japuneesed. It still has the mid but actually pulls to the soft limiter at 12,500, it is FUN now. It feels now like the original motor engineer was at the table, not the Euro regulation representative!
There you go.

Over here you cannot legally mod an A2-compliant bike.

We should be thankful, the original law was that you could not mod any bike..
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:10 AM   #440
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Here's the MCN vid.

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Old 02-27-2013, 10:29 AM   #441
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Here's the MCN vid.

Nice. Thanks for posting it up.

(for some reason I can't seem to embed on ADV anymore..)
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:17 AM   #442
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Just checked; yep, 8500, then rev-limiter.

On the plus side, the review says the bike loves to 'have its neck wrung' and Honda man Dave Hancock says it has the smoothest torque curver of almost any production bike.

That will either mean it's incredibly flexible, or incredibly boring, depending on what you want out of a bike.
Probably both, but less so then the 700, which is also.. both.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:37 PM   #443
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I don't miss the revs on my 700 at all,there is sooo much torque at 2,000+ rpms that it's a hoot around town!!.


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Old 02-27-2013, 03:58 PM   #444
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There you go.

Over here you cannot legally mod an A2-compliant bike.

We should be thankful, the original law was that you could not mod any bike..
Sounds like it's time to overthrow your government.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:53 PM   #445
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Sounds like it's time to overthrow your government.
No kiding! Hitler would be proud. Don't know what country he's from but, WOW!
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:36 PM   #446
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No kiding! Hitler would be proud. Don't know what country he's from but, WOW!
I havn't read the new legislation regarding the technical aspects of the A1 and A2 categories but to me it's quite obvious you arn't going to be allowed to get more power out of them if that's the whole reason for those A1 and A2 driver licenses (A1 = 125cc, 11kw and A2 = 35 kw, any displacement, though original power isn't allowed to be more than 70kw)

I think you will be allowed to put a akropovic bla bla bla onto it, as long as it's CE approved (which goes for any motorbike). Don't pin me on it though.

*edit* I don't agree with the new european A1, A2 & A category driver licences. Especially the way the dutch government has implemented is way beyond ignorant. Under 24 you HAVE to get a A1 category first, 2 years later you can take a new test for A2 and 2 years after that you can finally take a new test for a full power drivers license.

Getting a driver license is quite a bit more difficult here anyway. The average car student needs about 35 - 40 hours of 'classes' by a professional driver instructor.

Traffic deaths are pretty low though, so all those instructions do pay off. The new motorbike licenses won't save any lifes I think, and the motorcycle associations don't believe it will either.

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Old 03-02-2013, 01:14 AM   #447
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Spent the day on a rental 2013 Honda CBR 500 R. It has been on sale here in Thailand for the last 2 months. Price out the door is $7000. Some thoughts on the bike. Plus------It will do over 100 MPH, At 50-65 MPH mountain/freeway riding two up, 80 MPG. Engine RPM's at 60 MPH are 4500 RPM's. Good intrumentation & easy to read. Quality finish. Comfortable riding position & plenty of room for 2 up. Should get 280 miles on a full tank. Minus----Very noticeable engine vibration above 6500 RPM's, won't notice much if you keep speed below 85 or so. Heat from engine/radiator is forced over legs making it very uncomfortable, due to fairing. Don't think this will be a problem on the F or X models. Any F or X riders out there, let us know.
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*edit* I don't agree with the new european A1, A2 & A category driver licences. Especially the way the dutch government has implemented is way beyond ignorant. Under 24 you HAVE to get a A1 category first, 2 years later you can take a new test for A2 and 2 years after that you can finally take a new test for a full power drivers license.
Are you sure about that?

We have the same thing, but you only take your exams once, depending
on your age, and if you had a car licence before or not.

You can, for example.. get a car licence at the age of 18.. then decide you
want a motorcycle. You'd get the A1 at that time, that'll upgrade to A2
when you're 20, and then to full "A" when you're 24.

However, if you don't take your motorcycle exame until your.. let's say,
23.. you'll get A2.. which will automatically turn into the full A when you
turn 24.
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Spent the day on a rental 2013 Honda CBR 500 R. It has been on sale here in Thailand for the last 2 months. Price out the door is $7000. Some thoughts on the bike. Plus------It will do over 100 MPH, At 50-65 MPH mountain/freeway riding two up, 80 MPG. Engine RPM's at 60 MPH are 4500 RPM's. Good intrumentation & easy to read. Quality finish. Comfortable riding position & plenty of room for 2 up. Should get 280 miles on a full tank. Minus----Very noticeable engine vibration above 6500 RPM's, won't notice much if you keep speed below 85 or so. Heat from engine/radiator is forced over legs making it very uncomfortable, due to fairing. Don't think this will be a problem on the F or X models. Any F or X riders out there, let us know.
First bold re: revs - That's amazing. 6th gear is probably an overdrive or close,
just like on the NC700. That's the same revs I had on my 650R (which has
50% more power).

Second bold re: vibrations - That's EXACTLY what I said would happen in
this and other threads when people asked me why I consider the NC700
to be a better choice.

It vibrates because of the 180 deg. crank, and that drove me crazy on
my 650R. Can't be as bad on a smaller engine, but still, all things equal,
I'd get the 700 just because of the 270 crank. Screw the weight difference,
the bike feels 100lbs lighter then it is.
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Are you sure about that?

We have the same thing, but you only take your exams once, depending
on your age, and if you had a car licence before or not.

You can, for example.. get a car licence at the age of 18.. then decide you
want a motorcycle. You'd get the A1 at that time, that'll upgrade to A2
when you're 20, and then to full "A" when you're 24.

However, if you don't take your motorcycle exame until your.. let's say,
23.. you'll get A2.. which will automatically turn into the full A when you
turn 24.
Absolutely sure. For every new 'class' of license you have to take a new exam.
If you get a A1 license (under age of 24) it will never become a 'full' license. The only way to obtain a full license instantly is when you're 24+ so you can take the 'A' exam. That's quite a bit of money for every new license (probably between 150- 300 euro's each time your taking an exam)

Our government is currently looking into options so you can get a A2 license at the age of 20 without obtaining A1 first. I'd prefer if they would just get rid of the 125cc A1 class and make A2 available from 18 years old.

Don't get me wrong. I ride a CBR250R myself which I think is perfectly safe at the highway as long as you understand you have car like acceleration above 70 mph. Modern 125cc just have too low of a power output to go on the highway with strong headwinds in mah opinion.

125's are perfectly sane for backroad and cityriding obviously. And I guess it isn't such an issue as I think it is.

People travel the world on Honda cub's A 125 should feel like the star trek enterprise compared to those.
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