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Old 07-05-2013, 12:33 PM   #616
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The recommendation of an initial valve clearance check is flash worthy news?
it is when ya just bought a bike and then have to fork out another 300 pounds within weeks of buying ya bike when usual first service is around 80 pounds!
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:02 PM   #617
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it is when ya just bought a bike and then have to fork out another 300 pounds within weeks of buying ya bike when usual first service is around 80 pounds!
Aprilia pulled the same trick with the Dorsoduro. First service? That will 400 sir!

They should just add it to the sticker price, it would be more honest.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:55 PM   #618
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That is an absurd valve check interval. This isn't a high-performance race bike. I wouldn't buy one unless the first check was done free by the dealer.

My bikes are 24,000 and 42,000 kilometers to the first check.
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:01 PM   #619
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If they are out of spec at 600 miles, they were probably out of spec when it was built. So much for saving $ by outsourcing the build!
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:03 AM   #620
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I believe the CBR250R has the same valve check intervals. I know 600 miles seems early but they aren't checked again until 16k miles, which sounds attractive to me. My old CB500/4 needs to be checked every 3k miles.
If it were me I would negotiate the first service into the purchase price of the bike.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:01 PM   #621
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Not in the USA.

Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.
Magnuson Moss has to do with whether a mfg can specify who can do the service (i.e., requiring dealer service rather than DIY). A mfg can, in the US or anywhere else, still specify that a service has to be performed to maintain the warranty.

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Old 07-08-2013, 06:21 AM   #622
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Magnuson Moss has to do with whether a mfg can specify who can do the service (i.e., requiring dealer service rather than DIY). A mfg can, in the US or anywhere else, still specify that a service has to be performed to maintain the warranty.

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That is not true in the USA. The OP implied a dealer has to do the initial 600 mile service to maintain the manufacturers warranty. The owner can do it, or not do it, and still maintain the warranty on the vehicle. If there was a problem with the valves during the warranty period the owner would have to prove the service was done as related to the part(s) in question and that the failure to perform the service caused the failure but manufacturer could not refuse to honor the warranty on any other part of the vehicle and would have to prove the lack of service caused the failure in question. For example if a camshaft failed prematurely because the metal was not tempered properly a manufacturer could not refuse to honor the warranty because a valve check was not done. If a transmission bearing failed this is even more obvious - the manufacturer could not claim missing the 600 mile check releases their liability to repair under warranty. On the other hand if a valve burnt during warranty the owner would face a difficult time getting redress from the manufacturer.

In some other countries the owner does not have this protection and the entire vehicle warranty can be voided if all scheduled services are not performed by an authorized dealer.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:03 PM   #623
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I'd negotiate the 1st service as part of he initial purchase.

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Old 07-08-2013, 08:19 PM   #624
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I'd negotiate the 1st service as part of he initial purchase.

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You'd have little luck with that here, they're flying off the dealer's showroom floor as fast as they hit it (I bought mine today).

The CRF250L has a waiting list, though, which I find especially encouraging for the members of this forum. Dirt-capable and truly streetable bikes seem to be catching on and the more good choices we have, the more people can enjoy our niche.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:43 PM   #625
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You'd have little luck with that here, they're flying off the dealer's showroom floor as fast as they hit it (I bought mine today).

The CRF250L has a waiting list, though, which I find especially encouraging for the members of this forum. Dirt-capable and truly streetable bikes seem to be catching on and the more good choices we have, the more people can enjoy our niche.
I can wait.

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Old 07-27-2013, 04:24 PM   #626
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I'm curious to learn if anyone who's had the valves checked at 600 miles found them out of spec ??
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:43 PM   #627
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I'll soon know if this weather will break. Or maybe it's the predictions that are off, I stayed home today because I don't enjoy riding in the rain on a naked bike, and it's been nice non-blinding overcast weather all day. I'm outahere to somewhere tomorrow, watch it rain cats and dogs. Such is life.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:31 PM   #628
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You folks buy a bike after "sitting on it and listening" to the engine? Just imagine buying a new car like that. "Yup, the new Subaru sure has nice seats, and I really like the nice quiet engine, here's my check......" Yup , that'd be really bright. How do the motorcycle dealerships get us to do this shit?
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They ARE good looking bikes though.

Very difficult to get a test ride at most dealers around here. The excuses vary but it's all very very hard. About the best you can hope for on a new bike is to pay for it and they will let you bring it back in less than 15 miles if you don't like it. Used bikes are much much easier to get a ride on however.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:52 AM   #629
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:25 PM   #630
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chiming in on all this first service, valve check cost stuff....

....i like the 500f so it concerns me. however i have a feeling the valves don't really need to be checked / adjusted at 600 miles. not with subsequent checks every 8K. my guess is 16K is a good time for a good first check, but thats just me

i really think Honda does this to give their dealers business. i mean a valve check so soon at such a cost? no parts needed even if an unlikely adjustment is, and who knows how long that really takes an experienced shop with all the proper tools?

"valves took 20 minutes to check but would have taken the customer 2 and 1/2 hours to DIY. that will be 2 and 1/2 hours labor, please."

is it a scam? lets find out. how many with these bikes actually NEEDED adjustment? and wouldn't a bike start running like crap before it burnt up a valve or whatever if adjustment was needed at anytime, anyway? i've seen lot's of posts around where a bike is running poorly, owner checks the valves and they are out of spec. adjusts 'em, and its like new again. but the engine didn't blow for heavens sake!
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