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Old 12-22-2012, 01:38 PM   #286
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Area-P tuner is on the way to my door Monday. Their dyno test showed 38.5 RWHP with their full system, header and can. Baseline on a stocker was 34.1 RWHP. Torque goes up and is flatter from around 4200 RPM to redline, peak HP is at 11000-11,500 RPM. Stock it peaks at around 10,750.

I'm expecting similar gains with my gutted header/Akra can.

43 crank HP isn't far from the 45 I was hoping for.

This tuner arrived today.

AWESOME.

The engine now pretty much totally exceeds anything I ever expected a 250 Ninja based engine could ever be, and it was already doing that stock! The torque is even better than before, pulls clean from 2500 RPM, hauls with a hit into the low mid around 4500, then flat pulls hard to around 12500. It might fall off there just a tad but I'm having trouble shifting fast enough to avoid the limiter. It popped the front wheel off the ground in the 1-2 shift.

WOW.

Open up the exhaust, add this tuner and let it rip. I'm probably running a touch fat too, still waiting for my K&N air filter panel. Area-P expects to easily exceed 40 RWHP with the K&N pods in the near future too. That will be incredible. According to their dyno in warmer air this tune should be getting down around 38.5 at the wheel.

Side benefit, I had upgraded to 93 octane last few weeks to track down a mettalic tingle I could hear around 4-5k RPMs. I wrote it off as a fairing noise as the premium fuel seemed to lessen but not cure it.

Well, it is gone now. Had it earlier today, can't get it despite loading it hard uphill. It would do that everywhere before, flat land, down hill, anytime you applied fuel in that RPM range.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:56 PM   #287
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Navin, let us know what the penalty is in fuel economy. The 300 should do 65 mpg US according to specs. What does boosting the power & torque this far do to fuel consumption?
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:20 PM   #288
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Navin, let us know what the penalty is in fuel economy. The 300 should do 65 mpg US according to specs. What does boosting the power & torque this far do to fuel consumption?

I've had it get from 51 MPG to 63 as a best. Usually right at 53-54 MPG. I'm not riding for economy, just doing what I do and let the chips fall. It can probably get 65 every day with a conservative, light rider. According to that magazine road test competition, it can get 104 MPG! That must have been a boring ride! Problem is, mine was pinging. I don't care if it get 45 MPG now as long as;

1. It doesn't ping and kill itself anymore.

2. That it runs like a raped ape!

It now has that entertaining top end pull. It was just making noise up in the top end before. It was hard to complain as the mid was just brilliant and smooth, but now it actually hits hard and tops out the forks at 4500 RPM and just screams to redline. I've lost nothing in the mid except that uber smooth transition of torque. I'll live with that, it has some personality now.

I'll let you know what the MPG look like now for sure.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:04 AM   #289
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Just read a first review in a local mag.. (everything fine, as we all know), and
I expected the price to be high but..

The 300ABS here costs the same as the ER6n without ABS.
That's hard to swallow.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:10 AM   #290
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Just read a first review in a local mag.. (everything fine, as we all know), and
I expected the price to be high but..

The 300ABS here costs the same as the ER6n without ABS.
That's hard to swallow.

How does it compare to a 300 without ABS? Load any bike with an expensive option and it can jump upmarket. Compare apples to apples.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:05 AM   #291
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How does it compare to a 300 without ABS? Load any bike with an expensive option and it can jump upmarket. Compare apples to apples.
It compares in the way that I mentioned.
Price.

It's the same.
The ABS premium is very small.

2 years ago, we had 3 yr old leftover ER6n's for less money then they're
asking for a new 300R now.
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ABS has a big price penalty here, if you are comparing them to leftover bikes you might as well include low mile used bikes too.

What are the differences in price to 2013 models?
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:58 AM   #293
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ABS has a big price penalty here, if you are comparing them to leftover bikes you might as well include low mile used bikes too.

What are the differences in price to 2013 models?
I compared to leftovers in last post, I didn't in the one before.

2013 ER6N costs only 10% more then the 2013 300R here.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:05 AM   #294
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I compared to leftovers in last post, I didn't in the one before.

2013 ER6N costs only 10% more then the 2013 300R here.

Then it comes down to what you want. I could have chosen from a huge number of recent 600 sportbikes with near no miles for less than the 300. The ER6-n is a great bike for what it is too. Bigger fork tubes, same non rebuildable rear shock style, low grade materials. My friend has one he bought with 800 miles on it for near a grand less than my 300. I doubt they will get significantly different MPG. The ER6-n has more power. The 300 has more than enough but not as much.

The ER6-n was a bargain when it was offered in the USA, I advised a few people to go check them out in fact.

If you want just the cheapest thing you can get new, the leftover CBR250 was being just about given away last I checked.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:09 AM   #295
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Then it comes down to what you want.
It always does..

But what if CBR250 was only 10% cheaper then the CBR500..
CBR500 was only 10% cheaper then CBR600 which was only
10% cheaper then CBR1000?

I doubt it anyone would say "it comes down to what you want".

I can see the advantages of the Ninja 300 to the 650, I've owned the
650 for a long time, but the prices shouldn't be so close.

The 650 is overpriced already.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:19 AM   #296
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It always does..

But what if CBR250 was only 10% cheaper then the CBR500..
CBR500 was only 10% cheaper then CBR600 which was only
10% cheaper then CBR1000?

I doubt it anyone would say "it comes down to what you want".

I can see the advantages of the Ninja 300 to the 650, I've owned the
650 for a long time, but the prices shouldn't be so close.

The 650 is overpriced already.

So the 300 is overpriced too? I'm not really getting the problem. For years all I've heard is a 350cc sportbike with top level components will cost the same as a 600cc or 1000cc sportbike with top level parts. Cheap bikes are cheap. I can't say where you live but the 300 ($4799) is cheaper than the next bigger Kawi streetbike, the Ninja 650, ($7599) by a good margin. I'd not care if they offered a ER6-n for the same price as the 300. They couldn't sell them here for about $5500 iirc.

I choose a 300 for the low gyro effect of the engine, not because it was cheap. I wish it was higher speced and cost more than the budget Ninja 650 if it had to be to be available.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:55 PM   #297
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So the 300 is overpriced too? I'm not really getting the problem. For years all I've heard is a 350cc sportbike with top level components will cost the same as a 600cc or 1000cc sportbike with top level parts. Cheap bikes are cheap. I can't say where you live but the 300 ($4799) is cheaper than the next bigger Kawi streetbike, the Ninja 650, ($7599) by a good margin. I'd not care if they offered a ER6-n for the same price as the 300. They couldn't sell them here for about $5500 iirc.

I choose a 300 for the low gyro effect of the engine, not because it was cheap. I wish it was higher speced and cost more than the budget Ninja 650 if it had to be to be available.
I'd also pay the same as for the 650 if it had better other components, like
the Duke 390 might be..

But as it stands now, I can get 2 used ER6n's with 5k miles each for the
price of a new 300R.

Not bashing the 300R, it's probably a better built bike then my 650R in
2007 was, but I just think the price went up too much from the 250R.
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Here it is easily worth the extra 500 clams over the 250, as far as better built than an older 650, I'd not be too sure.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:04 PM   #299
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Here it is easily worth the extra 500 clams over the 250, as far as better built than an older 650, I'd not be too sure.
$500 extra is nothing!

You don't want to hear the prices of them here!

And it can't be worse then the 1st gen 650R, trust me.
That's why I sold the damn thing.

Never broke down but..
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My brother had one. The 300 is a super brittle thing. I'm betting they are about even, sadly.

It is quieter down the road than the 250 but the skin will break just installing it back on. Really cheap stuff.
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