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Old 10-16-2012, 06:04 PM   #31
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Hmmm...
I once heard that you should never trust an Englishman to make anything bigger than a hatbox, is that not still true?
Since all the owners are so damned enthusiastic, maybe we can add some second-hand reports-
A friend of mine who bought an XC last year has declared it hopeless as a dirtbike. He's ridden enough dirtbikes to know the difference, and has a DR650 and a DRZ400. He likes the XC as a tourer, but thinks maybe he should have gotten the Roadie instead. Anybody else feel like the 21" is a more of a styling exercise than good engineering, given the steep fork rake on this bike?
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:16 PM   #32
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Hmmm...
I once heard that you should never trust an Englishman to make anything bigger than a hatbox, is that not still true?
Since all the owners are so damned enthusiastic, maybe we can add some second-hand reports-
A friend of mine who bought an XC last year has declared it hopeless as a dirtbike. He's ridden enough dirtbikes to know the difference, and has a DR650 and a DRZ400. He likes the XC as a tourer, but thinks maybe he should have gotten the Roadie instead. Anybody else feel like the 21" is a more of a styling exercise than good engineering, given the steep fork rake on this bike?
It still handles good on the road and the suspension is plush for on or off. Unless you're really aggressive with the brakes it doesn't see-saw. For me, that brought me over to the XC and love it for that. A dirtbike? Nope, got other bikes for that. But dirt roads the thing is da bomb. It eats big miles with aplomb.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:45 AM   #33
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Hmmm...
I once heard that you should never trust an Englishman to make anything bigger than a hatbox, is that not still true?
Since all the owners are so damned enthusiastic, maybe we can add some second-hand reports-
A friend of mine who bought an XC last year has declared it hopeless as a dirtbike. He's ridden enough dirtbikes to know the difference, and has a DR650 and a DRZ400. He likes the XC as a tourer, but thinks maybe he should have gotten the Roadie instead. Anybody else feel like the 21" is a more of a styling exercise than good engineering, given the steep fork rake on this bike?

So he would say same about GS800, GSA, KTM 990 etc. I guess.
No problem taking XC to offroad it's meant for. And I had no problems carving corners with it either.

I know people who would call DR650 and DRZ hopeless as dirtbikes too.

Don't get me wrong, I just do not see how it could be expected from 95 bhp 215 kg bike to be dirtbike? Is there such machine?
I know, KTMers queue now "990 can do it!" - but still not dirtbike.

It is good bike for open-piste non-technical offroad and this had been confirmed by good friend of mine who just over 50 000 km on his Tiger. He lives in Russia - trust me, he knows about offroad
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:02 AM   #34
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Every time I went into my local BMW dealer I was just shocked at what stuff costs there. Full boat retail isn't even enough sometimes. And service was just waiting to see how much they could overcharge for their work. They even spent thousands and thousands of dollars to build a fancy new service department - state of the art. That's great news, isn't it?? Their customers just LOOOOVE it!!

When I was bike shopping they were absolutely floored that I would even consider another brand. It's like they invented the motorcycle and nothing can compare. To the point of condescension. Elitist attitude at best.

I never really seriously considered the F8 but rather the GS. I wanted a good roadie for 2-up as well as adventure riding. After riding a GS and then the Tigers it was a no-brainer. I'm so glad I never got a BMW I could just scream.

On the other hand, my Triumph dealer was just awarded #1 dealer in the nation. They're a LOT more friendly as well. They were an absolute joy to deal with, best buying experience ever.
Ive hung out at the local BMW dealer on Sat mornings,a buddy works there. I would see guys picking up their latest amazing germanic steeds after servicing.
I swear it was a point of pride to not flinch at a 2400.00 service along with the 50.00 per tire mounting fee and the priciest tires in town by a mile.
Full electric ABS service and other very involved maintenance can add up to huge $.
BMW guys have bucks and arent afraid to shell em out. Still at every 6000 miles for some bikes I think.
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This thread is making me want an 800XC even more then I did.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:10 AM   #35
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Hmmm...
I once heard that you should never trust an Englishman to make anything bigger than a hatbox, is that not still true?
Since all the owners are so damned enthusiastic, maybe we can add some second-hand reports-
A friend of mine who bought an XC last year has declared it hopeless as a dirtbike. He's ridden enough dirtbikes to know the difference, and has a DR650 and a DRZ400. He likes the XC as a tourer, but thinks maybe he should have gotten the Roadie instead. Anybody else feel like the 21" is a more of a styling exercise than good engineering, given the steep fork rake on this bike?
A good dirt rider can ride most anything anywhere,or close to it. I dont use big bikes in the dirt,maybe cruising on a dirt road, which is more then many (most?) XC riders will do.
If its close to 500 lbs its too big,for me. I would love to have one of these 800's though!
Comfortable,smooth ride,fast enough,+ I like Triumphs,the 99 1200 Ive got is a great traveling/sportish bike.
Built very solid. XC isnt meant to be an actual dirt bike,can tell by looking at it.

Triumph has been increasing their market share worldwide,and at a good pace,most bike companies are in the doldrums with the economy. Must be some reason.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:24 AM   #36
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@ 5-10"/180lbs/32 Inseam... Coming from a 07' & 09' KLR I have the muscle memory & strength of handling a bigger bike in the rough stuff. Anyone who can manhandle a KLR in sand/etc and have fun doing it can certainly have an AMAZING time on a well engineered 450-550lbs bike.

I have ridden with guys on 250/400/650's and done everything they did on my KLR. The Tiger actually inspires way more confidence than most of the bikes I've owned, Including my KLX250S. I'm really amazed how the Tiger with stock tires feel more sure-footed than my KLR ever did even with true 50/50 tires.

If a potential buyer's only point of reference is a 250/400cc, the Tiger will be more than a handful off road. It will force you to grab the bull by the horns or cringe in fear & then sell.

If your wallet has more meat on it than you, buy a bike for each occasion. Most of us had to choose a true do-it-all bike.
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:49 AM   #37
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I just took a 45 minute test ride on a Tiger 800 (road) two days ago thinking I was going to Trade my '08 FZ1 in on an XC. Glad I took test ride instead of just listening to the positive rider reports. The suspension was the best thing about the bike, plush, felt sure footed on the road but the engine..... Torque appears much quicker but feels like you have to really spin it up to get it to move. Suppose this is to be expected coming off a liter bike. Also it didn't rev that freely, realize this was a bike with 130 miles on it, but still it didn't off the triple nirvana I've read about and experienced on a speed triple.

Gear box works great, as good as Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha. Brakes felt soft, but didn't make the adjustments at the levers. Clutch didn't have the on/off feel that I prefer and stalled the bike once it needed more slipping than I'm used to.

The Tiger is a pass for me, and definitely not a two up machine. I'm 5'9 170 lbs. Make sure you give one a spin first.

Want to test the Explorer, probably more my speed..
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Old 10-17-2012, 09:58 AM   #38
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definitely not a two up machine. I'm 5'9 170 lbs.
I beg to differ, I'm taller and weigh more than you. Took the wife for 5 days from Albq to Durango and all around the steep mountain passes with no power issues or comfort problems. I maybe would like a different wind screen but nothing major to say its not a two up machine. How big is your ol' lady???

Whats really funny is there were nothing but high dollar HD/Honda touring bikes with us. THEY wanted to stop and stretch more than us. We wanted to keep riding!! Maybe its an age thing.

Here's the evidence AFTER the 1100mi ride was completed

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Old 10-17-2012, 10:04 AM   #39
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She's a buck 0'five. It's hard to go down in HP, that being said I mostly ride like an old woman. Did like the riding position definely let my legs stretch more than the FZ1.
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She's a buck 0'five. It's hard to go down in HP, that being said I mostly ride like an old woman. Did like the riding position definely let my legs stretch more than the FZ1.
I can see where stepping down in HP may have clouded your judgement
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:15 PM   #41
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Torque appears much quicker but feels like you have to really spin it up to get it to move. Suppose this is to be expected coming off a liter bike. Also it didn't rev that freely, realize this was a bike with 130 miles on it, but still it didn't off the triple nirvana I've read about and experienced on a speed triple.
You know this is interesting thing about Tigers. When I got mine brand new it was kinda wee bit...sleepy for first...I don't know...500 km? Then something changed like big time. Even my friend riding with me noticed change in sound and acceleration of my Tiger. God knows why. It is not first engine I ran in, but it is first time difference was so evident.
Try to get test on well run-in machine (I guess would be same for Explorer) and definitely with latest map loaded.
First test ride I took on Tiger was in 2011 with first map. I was not impressed. 1 year later I tested same bike at same shop with latest map and it was SO different down low to mid rpms I asked if it is same bike.

I am shortie but "wide" and not light and my wife is small so can't comment on your 2-up situation, but my friend tried it and he is REALLY big and he said that for some reason my 2012 XC felt perfectly big enough for him and passenger and he was surprised how different it felt to him comparing to roadie. He did not like roadie at all. Go figure.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:57 PM   #42
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You know this is interesting thing about Tigers. When I got mine brand new it was kinda wee bit...sleepy for first...I don't know...500 km? Then something changed like big time. Even my friend riding with me noticed change in sound and acceleration of my Tiger. God knows why. It is not first engine I ran in, but it is first time difference was so evident.
Try to get test on well run-in machine (I guess would be same for Explorer) and definitely with latest map loaded.
First test ride I took on Tiger was in 2011 with first map. I was not impressed. 1 year later I tested same bike at same shop with latest map and it was SO different down low to mid rpms I asked if it is same bike.

I am shortie but "wide" and not light and my wife is small so can't comment on your 2-up situation, but my friend tried it and he is REALLY big and he said that for some reason my 2012 XC felt perfectly big enough for him and passenger and he was surprised how different it felt to him comparing to roadie. He did not like roadie at all. Go figure.
The guy has decided he doesn't like the bike so why bother? Not even sure what he's doing on this thread. From what I can tell he thinks he's an expert and wants to make sure we all know 'the tiger is a pass' for him.

Comments on power, poor for 2-up, torque, he's completely full of...well, nevermind. At least he got the suspension part right, but owners are even upgrading it for offroading.

Explorer? Meh. Another hundred pounds. That's exactly what none of us wanted.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:22 PM   #43
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My next bike when i wear this one out will probably be another Tiger 800XC.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:24 PM   #44
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I beg to differ, I'm taller and weigh more than you. Took the wife for 5 days from Albq to Durango and all around the steep mountain passes with no power issues or comfort problems. I maybe would like a different wind screen but nothing major to say its not a two up machine. How big is your ol' lady???

Whats really funny is there were nothing but high dollar HD/Honda touring bikes with us. THEY wanted to stop and stretch more than us. We wanted to keep riding!! Maybe its an age thing.

Here's the evidence AFTER the 1100mi ride was completed



Agreed this is a two up riding machine. I weight 260.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:22 AM   #45
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Agreed this is a two up riding machine. I weight 260.
Nice color choice Doc. Damn that rig is LOADED!! Care to share how you setup all that gear in the rear?
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