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Old 10-01-2012, 12:33 PM   #16
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Does anyone know of any training schools, other than those mentioned above, that do on-road training via helmet-to-helmet communication with the instructor?
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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That is, from what I've heard (i.e. no personal knowledge) how Stayin' Safe, developed by Larry Grodsky, works.

http://www.stayinsafe.com/aboutus.php

For beginner riding training alternates to the MSF, have a look at National Motorcycle Training Institute

http://www.nmcti.org/index.php
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:46 AM   #18
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Been thru two Stayin' Safe classes and insisted my wife take one. After 40 years of riding I learned quite a few things.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:45 AM   #19
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Good thread, OP. Having been through two MSF courses (admittedly not completely voluntarily) I would hope there is something else out there for folks who actually want to learn how to ride a bike.

Not a MSF fan. And yeah. I did let them know about it at the time and in emails. All I got was "that's what we script them to say".
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:17 AM   #20
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Always been a proponent of American Supercamp. You will learn how to control a motorcycle in adverse situations. It translates to all forms of riding. That and riding off road regularly. Comfort on a motorcycle that's tap dancing on a razor blade frees up the brain to access the proper action in difficult situations.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:34 AM   #21
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Good thread, OP. Having been through two MSF courses (admittedly not completely voluntarily) I would hope there is something else out there for folks who actually want to learn how to ride a bike.

Not a MSF fan. And yeah. I did let them know about it at the time and in emails. All I got was "that's what we script them to say".
I'm definitely finding that really good, on road, non-MSF riding courses are few and far between, and fairly concentrated on the east coast. i think this is a shame, I wish everyone no matter what their riding experience would take the time (and healthy dose of humility) it takes to learn from someone else. Especially those who are far far more experienced than you. Mark Brown, who teaches the MotoMark1 course that I took, has been the head instructor for all of North Carolina's motorcycle cops for 20 years or something, I'd say anyone could learn a thing or two from him.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:14 PM   #22
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Does anyone know of any training schools, other than those mentioned above, that do on-road training via helmet-to-helmet communication with the instructor?
The ones I mentioned, you get an instructor that you first follow, then instructor follows you next session. After each session, instructor gives you feedback.

Most of the instruction ON the track is done via hand signals, pointing and what not.

Your question is good though. I had a collision with my instructor once due to a mis communication. He was pointing to a reference marker. I thought he was saying that is where I (the line) should be/is. So, next lap that is where I was. Our lines crossed, I knew I was going to hit him. Burned off as much speed as I could and bam, kept it up, in the grass and back on the track. I gave him the thumbs up and we did another few laps. After the session, he came to talk with me. I thought the collision was very mild, maybe we just bumped tires. Then he points to my broken blinker. My mind really just blocked it all out, I had tunnel vision and was focused on keeping it up.

The next session was my very best that day.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:02 AM   #23
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Ran across a listing of a few more:

CLASS MOTORCYCLE SCHOOL
Reg Pridmore’s Track School
320 E Santa Maria St, Suite M
Santa Paula, CA 93060
805-933-9936
www.classrides.com

ADVANCED MOTORCYCLE OPERATOR SCHOOL
(AMOS)
California Superbike School (CSS)
940 San Fernando Rd
Los Angeles, CA 90065
323-224-2734
www.superbikeschool.com

*STAR SCHOOL
Jason Pridmore’s STAR School
562-802-7061
www.starmotorcycle.com

*SCHWANTZ SCHOOL
Kevin Schwantz Riding School
3446 Winder Hwy, Suite M234
Flowery Branch, GA 30542 205-531-6846
www.schwantzschoolnews.com

TOTAL CONTROL, LEVEL 1
Lee Parks Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic
PO Box 1838
Victorville, CA 92393
800-943-5638
www.totalcontroltraining.net
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Old 12-23-2012, 12:49 PM   #24
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This is a good one for locals. They do require same amount of clothing as the MSF now though.
They used to offer an off road version but not enough takers and too much liability led to it's demise.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:05 PM   #25
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Since you started with the MSF specifically, I assume you want street instruction. For that consider track schools.

I think that Reg Pridmore's "CLASS" offers the best, controlled learning experience. He'll be a VIR in VA this summer.

Other track day outfits offer training as well - but not at the level or control that Reg offers.
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:48 AM   #26
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Since you started with the MSF specifically, I assume you want street instruction.
But MSF also has two dirt schools:

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DirtBike School: DirtBike Basic RiderCourse (DBS:CRE)
A learn-to-ride course. Though focused on learning to ride a dirt bike, this course is a good way to learn how to physically operate a motorcycle in general. This course is conducted entirely outdoors in an off-highway area. It is not a license waiver course.
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DirtBike School: Trail Riding RiderCourse (DBS:ITR)
An extension of the DirtBike School, and for riders who already possess basic riding skills and are ready to ride off-highway trails. Lessons may include riding in sand and mud, through creek crossings and ruts, and over rocks, hills, and whoop-de-doos. A certified Coach supervises all riding activities
Linky here
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