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Old 10-16-2012, 01:53 PM   #1
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crf vs crf

Hi all, which off-roader would you prefer, if used to riding the dr650se (like me) on woods roads and backroads, and 6'3" tall/34" inseam? Choice is CRF230F or CRF450R. Seat height / wheelbase: 450R is 37" / 59", 230F is 34" / 55". Weight is similar. Is the 450R be too top-heavy or touchy for intermediate level street riders, as a first dirt-bike?
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:56 PM   #2
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Hi all, which off-roader would you prefer, if used to riding the dr650se (like me) on woods roads and backroads, and 6'3" tall/34" inseam? Choice is CRF230F or CRF450R. Seat height / wheelbase: 450R is 37" / 59", 230F is 34" / 55". Weight is similar. Is the 450R be too top-heavy or touchy for intermediate level street riders, as a first dirt-bike?
Any dirt bike is a good first dirt bike. Buy the best one you can. They all get trashed.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:02 PM   #3
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Any dirt bike is a good first dirt bike. Buy the best one you can. They all get trashed.
Actually my concerns are safety and reliability. The 2nd relates to engine hours. My guess is the mx's motors need rebuilds sooner than the enduros.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:28 PM   #4
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those are so totally different as to not even warrant a comparison.

Do you plan on trail riding or doing moto's?

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Old 10-16-2012, 02:45 PM   #5
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Exactly what crofrog said. The 230 is a trail bike with very soft suspension and not a whole lot of power for a big guy. But it will be easy to ride as long as that ride is slow.

The 450 on the other hand will be a rocket regardless of who or what is in the saddle. It won't be especially heavy but it will be pretty touchy if you aren't used to big power.

Why two bikes so completely different anyway? The 230 will be reliable and safe. The 450 will be reliable and only safe if you use a lot of right wrist discretion because it will be FAST.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:45 PM   #6
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those are so totally different as to not even warrant a comparison.

Do you plan on trail riding or doing moto's?
This.

You can't compare a big MX bike with a little trail bike. It's like comparing a big 4x4 ATV with a racing ATV.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:52 PM   #7
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pure off road? get a 250 two stroke. cheap to maintain and fun. Or go with a wr250.
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Old 10-16-2012, 03:53 PM   #8
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The bowl of CRF450R is too hot.

The bowl of CRF230F is too cold.

The bowl of CRF450X is just right.

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Old 10-16-2012, 05:36 PM   #9
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I'd like second the suggestion for a 2-stroke.

Cost of ownership is much less than the high strung CRF (R or X).
...........and they are just as much fun if not more.

If you've got money to burn get I'd the CRF450X for the woods.
You have to do a lot of mods and work to get the R to behave correctly on the trails.....sure you can ride it as is.....but it makes a HUGE difference to have one properly set-up.
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Old 10-16-2012, 05:38 PM   #10
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Yeah I have an '03 CRF450R. It's great bike. I run it in the woods and on the track. On the track it is magic. In the woods it's fine if the trails you run are fast and you are too. Real slow stuff will overheat it,kill the clutch and wear you out mentally as well as physically. If you prefer that kinda ride buy one but most people are happier with a less high strung woods bike. If I want to tone it down I break out the '80 YZ465. Big bore two strokes rule.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:16 PM   #11
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I am amazed that "Buy a KTM" has not been uttered. HAHAHA.

BUY A KTM.

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ps - above information on 230 vs 459 Hondas is spot on.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:42 AM   #12
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You really should just pick another manufacturer and buy a more reliable (your definition) bike than a Honda CRF450.
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:29 AM   #13
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You really should just pick another manufacturer and buy a more reliable (your definition) bike than a Honda CRF450.
Really? My CRF as never broken on me. The original valves lasted 200 hours. It does require the maintenance of a race bike because.....well it's a race bike. Run anything into the ground and it'll fail. I agree for the duty the OP will use it for there are better choices but a blanket condemnation of the CRF isn't called for.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:28 AM   #14
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Thanks for the imput everyone! My local craiglist search hit far more 450Rs than other models, leading me to believe that a lot of folks don't want to spring for repairs or replace worn parts on a racing bike they use for woods roads. The tt-230 or crf230 have 55" wheelbases, which magnifies ruts or dips more than the 58" of other dirt bikes. So I'm still looking...
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:38 AM   #15
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CRF230 if you want a small relaxed bike that you can share with your wife, kids, and non-dirt rising buddies. Probably a little small for a tall guy like you.

CRF250X/450X for serious woods riding

CRF250R/450R for track use

CRF250L looks promising for a relaxed, legal, trail and dirt road bike.

Or go buy a KTM. :P
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