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Old 11-30-2012, 07:07 PM   #31
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No diesel? GTFO
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:01 PM   #32
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Is that directed at me?
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:26 PM   #33
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Well, I guess there's not much more for you to say...I was gonna as your thoughts, ha ha!

I just ordered a 2013 Sahara Unlimited with the 3.73, limited slip, hard top, max tow, saddle leather. I have a newborn and that's my first thought (comfort, protection, ease of use for mom and I).

I nearly bought a 2012, but it had the "bad" head S/N so I opted to wait for a 2013 to be delivered here in Korea. As long as my family can put up with my Korea-dinky-car for 4 months, we'll be in the Unlimited in say March. I feel pretty good about this vehicle selection.
Even with the rear facing baby seat right behind her, my 6' wife has no problems in the passenger seat in the front.

So how were you able to verify your VIN against the bad batch?

Also, don't count on the wait being that long. We were told 4 months too, and it ended up bring ready in just over a month- to the degree that we were still in Germany and I had to have it delivered to my parent's house.

If you aren't coming back to the US, I also might wonder why you wouldn't get the diesel, although I've not heard the best of things about the Fiat diesel.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:43 PM   #34
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You probably meant ...... TDI


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Old 11-30-2012, 09:59 PM   #35
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Even with the rear facing baby seat right behind her, my 6' wife has no problems in the passenger seat in the front.

So how were you able to verify your VIN against the bad batch?

Also, don't count on the wait being that long. We were told 4 months too, and it ended up bring ready in just over a month- to the degree that we were still in Germany and I had to have it delivered to my parent's house.

If you aren't coming back to the US, I also might wonder why you wouldn't get the diesel, although I've not heard the best of things about the Fiat diesel.
Based on the chatter on the big Wrangler forum (forgot the name) there are three batches of heads, and the 2013's they're building now all have the "C" head so I "should" be in the clear.

The diesel isn't available when ordering an ENCS vehicle. All US spec.

Is that a WR250R on the back of your JK? How does it handle that weight back there?
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:37 PM   #36
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17k, and not one single problem.

I will never sell it, unless Fiat blesses us with a diesel.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:11 AM   #37
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Based on the chatter on the big Wrangler forum (forgot the name) there are three batches of heads, and the 2013's they're building now all have the "C" head so I "should" be in the clear.

The diesel isn't available when ordering an ENCS vehicle. All US spec.

Is that a WR250R on the back of your JK? How does it handle that weight back there?
Ah, got a link or are you going to make me search...

Yeah, that's how we ordered ours as well out of Stuttgart, so it wouldn't be an option.

And yes, that's a WR on the back. With the stock springs I did notice it there, but that was more due to using a cheeseball Harbor Freight carrier that sways a bit. No difference in power or economy with it there, though. I'm now on linear rate springs that are a bit taller but still on stock tires and though I've not had the bike on there, I suspect it will be even less noticeable.

As for stock springs, I gotta say I must have got a good set. I never had the rake most people have out of the box and it sat dead level from day one. Truth be told, I would have left it indefinitely at the stock height, but I was concerned with adding the winch, it would dip the nose too much when doing the Rubicon trail itself. So now it sits jut a touch taller while still on the stock tires. I've not really impacted my fuel economy and can still get away with this type of action:



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Old 12-01-2012, 01:52 PM   #38
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This is the place I'm talking about: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/upd...37608-114.html

That page of that thread is a good place to start. You'll see on the last page that some guys are telling me "don't worry about it until it happens" but put yourself in Korea, and you'll hedge every bet you can. Thus, I went with a to-be-built 2013 rather than something that's already built. Based on what's being reported now, all the JK's are coming out with AC heads now, so (knock wood) I should be in the clear. I realize I'm extrapolating data, but I always have the option of refusing delivery on the last day, if it comes with old heads.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:16 PM   #39
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I personally find it hilarious how out of hand people make the "head problem".

In the grand scheme of how many Pentastars there are, the amount with a head problem is very small.
One issue I've always had with forums in general...you always hear the bad over the good.
No one starts a thread with, "Look at my engine that doesn't tick!!"

Furthermore, there is a known fix, and it's not a difficult one.
A competent mechanic can replace one of these heads in less than 4 hours.

Furtherfurthermore, every vehicle that has the possibility of a bad head has a 5yr, 100k mile warranty on said part.

If it's going to be a problem, it'll sure as hell be one long before you're out of warranty.

/End rant.

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:18 PM   #40
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I personally find it hilarious how out of hand people make the "head problem".

In the grand scheme of how many Pentastars there are, the amount with a head problem is very small.
One issue I've always had with forums in general...you always hear the bad over the good.
No one starts a thread with, "Look at my engine that doesn't tick!!"

Furthermore, there is a known fix, and it's not a difficult one.
A competent mechanic can replace one of these heads in less than 4 hours.

Furtherfurthermore, every vehicle that has the possibility of a bad head has a 5yr, 100k mile warranty on said part.

If it's going to be a problem, it'll sure as hell be one long before you're out of warranty.

/End rant.

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I'm not going to get into an argument. Nor do I speak for everyone who buys a Jeep. If I lived in the US, I would agree with you. Put yourself in my position and you might feel differently. I would not be surprised at all to show up to a Jeep dealer here (of which there are few - actually 6 likely owned by the same guy) with a ticking head, and them say "there's no problem, you go away." If they say no what am I to do? I can't just go to another dealer here, and they know it. I'm just protecting myself, taking an extra precaution.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:00 PM   #41
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Most dealers won't do anything if you just have the tick, anyway.
It's the associated CEL that comes with the "tick problem" that finally get's the ball rolling on the head replacement.
The CEL is something that can't be denied, covered up, cleared(it'll come back on in a matter of miles), etc...

I understand your situation being different than most though(and totally respect it)...I was merely making a blanket statement about how blown out of proportion the head problem has become.
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:20 PM   #42
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Old 12-01-2012, 07:54 PM   #43
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I was commenting to my wife just today about playing in the mud when I lived in OH. It was cool back then, but now, the thought of spending an entire day to get the mud off the machine is much less appealing (but the mud still looks cool). Now that we're out west, I totally avoid mud even on the bikes.

Places like this are much more my style (from the break in drive)



BTW, how do you like the body colored fender flares and top?
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:30 PM   #44
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I'm not a mud fan, as you can tell from the picture comparing my Jeep to the other two...but sometimes it's unavoidable. I'd love to live out west where you can wheel. Definitely jealous!!

I ordered this Jeep, love the body colored top...the flares are ok.
Next spring, the flares will be replaced by Nemesis Industry flares...along with quite a few other things.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:48 PM   #45
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I'm not a mud fan, as you can tell from the picture comparing my Jeep to the other two...but sometimes it's unavoidable. I'd love to live out west where you can wheel. Definitely jealous!!


West is best. I don't even want to take my Rubicon off road in Ohio anymore after the week I spent with it in Moab a month ago.
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