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Old 10-03-2012, 08:46 AM   #1
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:00 AM   #2
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I think BMW Motorrad went a little "GS" crazy.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:59 PM   #3
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I'm liking that GS Dry suit. It is waterproof without zipping in a liner.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:00 PM   #4
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Yes, but it's still a Z-Liner, all the suit will still get soaked with water and weight a ton. Far from laminated Gore-Tex...
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:39 PM   #5
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Yes, but it's still a Z-Liner, all the suit will still get soaked with water and weight a ton. Far from laminated Gore-Tex...


Really? "Weigh a ton"?

Let's see...

A pint's a pound the world around. So in order for this soak up 5 pounds of additional weight, (basically a bag of sugar, which is still not enough for you to really notice it when spread out over an entire jacket), it would have to soak up more than a half-gallon of water.

8 pounds would be a gallon of water. I guarantee you that suit's not going to soak up a gallon of water. So this, "It gets heavy" business is ridiculous.

Also, even jackets that have the waterproof layer bonded to the shell, the waterproof layer is still on the inside. The fabric of the shell will still soak up just as much water.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:04 PM   #6
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Really? "Weigh a ton"?

Let's see...

A pint's a pound the world around. So in order for this soak up 5 pounds of additional weight, (basically a bag of sugar, which is still not enough for you to really notice it when spread out over an entire jacket), it would have to soak up more than a half-gallon of water.

8 pounds would be a gallon of water. I guarantee you that suit's not going to soak up a gallon of water. So this, "It gets heavy" business is ridiculous.

Also, even jackets that have the waterproof layer bonded to the shell, the waterproof layer is still on the inside. The fabric of the shell will still soak up just as much water.
Stop trying to confuse me with facts....

I've worn an R3 in the rain with liners...Stayed completely dry, didn't compress any vertebrae. Liners work for me perfectly...Keep them out when it's really hot (like you care if you're wet when it's 110 degrees), put them in when it's cold. There isn't a waterproof anything that won't cook you when it's seriously hot out.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:28 PM   #7
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Stop trying to confuse me with facts....

I've worn an R3 in the rain with liners...Stayed completely dry, didn't compress any vertebrae. Liners work for me perfectly...Keep them out when it's really hot (like you care if you're wet when it's 110 degrees), put them in when it's cold. There isn't a waterproof anything that won't cook you when it's seriously hot out.
I agree . R3 works for me .
But I just bought some Klim Dakar pants to kick around in .
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:16 AM   #8
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The difference between a Z-Liner and a removable liner is exactly that the latter is removable. With a Z-Liner, you're stuck with the liner in, even if it's hot and not raining.

And yes, the fact that the suit will get wet on the outside bothers me, because it needs hours to dry completely. That the main reason why I sold my BMW Savannah for a Klim Latitude with laminated gore-tex.

I agree on the fact that the BMW high-end suits are completely waterproof with the removable liner in (tried the Savannah and the Rallye 2).

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I like the styling of the GS Dry suit though, and it fills a gap in the BMW range. Does someone have an idea of the price range ?
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:33 AM   #9
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The difference between a Z-Liner and a removable liner is exactly that the latter is removable. With a Z-Liner, you're stuck with the liner in, even if it's hot and not raining.
Hard to get too excited about a Z-Liner for this reason.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:57 AM   #10
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Looks like the RP4 in Goretex laminate was just a rumor. Too bad.

My dealer has the RP3's for deep discounts and I do like the black and yellow that's been replaced by the blue suit.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:09 AM   #11
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The difference between a Z-Liner and a removable liner is exactly that the latter is removable. With a Z-Liner, you're stuck with the liner in, even if it's hot and not raining.
With all due respect, no. That's not true. I currently have the BMW Tourance 2 jacket which is claimed to have a waterproof liner. It also has a thermal liner that is removable. That jacket, with the thermal liner out is MUCH lighter and cooler than an Rallye3 with its rain liner in. It is also much cooler than my Comfort Shell with the rain liner in it.

Now... it is not cooler than the Rallye3 with the liner out. That is a frustrating compromise. At temps below 90, the Tourance is fine. Above that, its pretty stuffy.

My Tourance is getting pretty beat up and it will be time for a new jacket soon. The new GS Dry seems to be a pretty good choice. I keep trying to decide if I can live with a zip-in liner and I really would rather not. I want something that is vented enough to handle Northern VA summers but waterproof when I close the vents.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:34 AM   #12
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Well...I guess I shouldn't be considering the GS Dry suit..."it is for beginners"
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