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Old 10-04-2012, 12:51 PM   #121
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I could give or take the looks. It's the performance I want to know. How well does it handle off-road. Does it "feel" lighter? Is the engine smoother, less snatchy and chudder free?

The Super Tenere has really upset the balance in the Adventure market by making a bike handle off-road better than the GS. Off-road handling is really where they could strengthen their market share. Without it, it's just another street bike to compare against other street bikes.

Looks like they reduced some weight up top to lower the center of gravity. I'd like to know if there are any rake/trail changes.

The wheels look soft as butter though. Those mag spokes look a little spindly. Maybe they're saving some weight there too?

Looks like you might be able to drill some new holes in that fender and raise it up a bit to keep it from shredding to bits when a tkc-80 picks up a rock.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:25 PM   #122
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I could give or take the looks. It's the performance I want to know. How well does it handle off-road. Does it "feel" lighter? Is the engine smoother, less snatchy and chudder free?

The Super Tenere has really upset the balance in the Adventure market by making a bike handle off-road better than the GS. Off-road handling is really where they could strengthen their market share. Without it, it's just another street bike to compare against other street bikes.

Looks like they reduced some weight up top to lower the center of gravity. I'd like to know if there are any rake/trail changes.

The wheels look soft as butter though. Those mag spokes look a little spindly. Maybe they're saving some weight there too?

Looks like you might be able to drill some new holes in that fender and raise it up a bit to keep it from shredding to bits when a tkc-80 picks up a rock.
Honestly, if you're buying this on off-road ability than you will be in 5%-10% of purchasers, if that.

A new DL1000 will sell just like the old one - on price. $5000 or £5000 less than a GS, MS1200, or KTM is a lot of fuel, camping, and good times.
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:33 PM   #123
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A hacksaw's all you need I say...

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Old 10-04-2012, 01:35 PM   #124
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Honestly, if you're buying this on off-road ability than you will be in 5%-10% of purchasers, if that.

A new DL1000 will sell just like the old one - on price. $5000 or £5000 less than a GS, MS1200, or KTM is a lot of fuel, camping, and good times.


After getting a DRZ400, I have very little desire to take my dl650 anywhere but on good roads. I get the ADV bike necessity for big trips like Alaska, but what % actually make the trip. And even then, a big tourer will be better for 95%+ of that trip.

If I had a pile of cash, I might get the Multistrada right now... Or wait for the new GS... For a budget minded, street biased fun bike, it appears to be a winner! YMMV

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Old 10-04-2012, 02:16 PM   #125
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A hacksaw's all you need I say...
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:50 PM   #126
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For a budget minded, street biased fun bike, it appears to be a winner! YMMV .
Today's affordable UJM...

ride it, drop it, beat on it, it's all good!
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Old 10-04-2012, 04:52 PM   #127
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I think, I've been there before...Suzuki is just catching up











Oh, and btw...that bike's for sale, too.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:05 PM   #128
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I would think that a larger percentage of the folks on this forum would actually be interested in off-road capabilities of this bike. Yes, many of the bikes sold don't even see dirt, but how much of the purchase decision is made off of "If I wanted to, I could...". If the off-road handling could match that of the Super Tenere or GS, then Suzuki has a winning platform.

Either it's an adventure bike that can handle off-road or it's a just a street bike. If it's an Adventure Bike, then they're going to have to improve it's off-road characteristics. If not, just put it into their "standard" category on the pamphlets and take it out of "dual sport".

It's not gonna be easy for Suzuki. There's no clear cut answer as to what specifically an "adventure bike" really is defined as. I would have to say though that some form of off-road use is involved in adventure riding and should weigh into the design of an adventure bike. Whether or not it actually gets used off-road is an unrelated question if it's labeled "adventure" or "dual sport".

They are most likely limited because of their price point in the market though. Much of the improvement costs will most likely be in just traction control, ABS and emissions. Everything else would just be inexpensive cosmetic changes.

I'm at 40k miles on my 2009 dl1000 and a purchase decision is coming up soon. If I had to pull the trigger right now on a replacement, it'd be the Super Tenere. $5k though is alot of gas and beer so it'd be tempting if the new DL1000 just felt a little lighter off-road.

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Honestly, if you're buying this on off-road ability than you will be in 5%-10% of purchasers, if that.

A new DL1000 will sell just like the old one - on price. $5000 or £5000 less than a GS, MS1200, or KTM is a lot of fuel, camping, and good times.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:11 PM   #129
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Could you put on a couple of extra headlamps too please?
I tried, but it looked so awkward on the profile picture

Tbh, I've looked at the pic from front, and there really seems to be plenty of places to fit aux lights to create a triangular thing, so if the headlight has a decent light output to start with, that might do it for conspicuity - and be even better than parallel lights. But it sure would look better...

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Oh, and btw...that bike's for sale, too.
Yeah, your build is pretty badass. I think the development team may just have read your thinstrom thread!
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:08 AM   #130
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even if the bike turned out to be good, Suzuki might actually be late. Trends come and go, and while "ADV" bikes have been very hot for a while, there's no guarantee this will continue. Plus it's already a very contested segment. (but this updated v-twin will probably also power other models in the future).
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Old 10-05-2012, 05:46 AM   #131
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I would think that a larger percentage of the folks on this forum would actually be interested in off-road capabilities of this bike. Yes, many of the bikes sold don't even see dirt, but how much of the purchase decision is made off of "If I wanted to, I could...". If the off-road handling could match that of the Super Tenere or GS, then Suzuki has a winning platform.

Either it's an adventure bike that can handle off-road or it's a just a street bike. If it's an Adventure Bike, then they're going to have to improve it's off-road characteristics. If not, just put it into their "standard" category on the pamphlets and take it out of "dual sport".

It's not gonna be easy for Suzuki. There's no clear cut answer as to what specifically an "adventure bike" really is defined as. I would have to say though that some form of off-road use is involved in adventure riding and should weigh into the design of an adventure bike. Whether or not it actually gets used off-road is an unrelated question if it's labeled "adventure" or "dual sport".

They are most likely limited because of their price point in the market though. Much of the improvement costs will most likely be in just traction control, ABS and emissions. Everything else would just be inexpensive cosmetic changes.

I'm at 40k miles on my 2009 dl1000 and a purchase decision is coming up soon. If I had to pull the trigger right now on a replacement, it'd be the Super Tenere. $5k though is alot of gas and beer so it'd be tempting if the new DL1000 just felt a little lighter off-road.
I would go with the Super Tenere if I was you..The DL not the bike for you. Your replies keep confirming that so move along and sing your goodbyes. (said in the nicest way of course)
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:19 AM   #132
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Me, if they hold below 10k price and avialable ABS , suzuki might give a run to all the 15k plus bikes .
So why would it make sense to cut corners to sell a 1,000 cc bike for less than $10,000 to compete with $15,000 bikes? Cater to riders trading in two KLR's?

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I would think that a larger percentage of the folks on this forum would actually be interested in off-road capabilities of this bike. Yes, many of the bikes sold don't even see dirt, but how much of the purchase decision is made off of "If I wanted to, I could...". If the off-road handling could match that of the Super Tenere or GS, then Suzuki has a winning platform.

Either it's an adventure bike that can handle off-road or it's a just a street bike. If it's an Adventure Bike, then they're going to have to improve it's off-road characteristics. If not, just put it into their "standard" category on the pamphlets and take it out of "dual sport".

It's not gonna be easy for Suzuki. There's no clear cut answer as to what specifically an "adventure bike" really is defined as. /.
Ah, yes, I understand. Suzuki should spend more on off-road capabilities so that the 5% of the riders who use it will buy it? That's not who buys these bikes for the most part.

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Though these bikes are theoretically engineered for hard-hitting off-road exploration, only a tiny percentage will ever go more than a few miles off-piste. As any real dirt-bike rider knows, the next-to-last thing you want while traversing real mud, sand, rocks or water is a sharp-edged, $20,000, 500-pound motorcycle. The last thing you want is to find yourself alone, trapped underneath one.

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Suzuki first aimed this bike at younger, more sport-oriented riders than those who bought the BMW GS. That's their power alley, and they'd be dumb to leave it. Most of the "Adventure" riders here don't seem to be familiar with sport bikes but the GSX-R 1000 sells in big numbers at $13,500 and is usually mid-priced in that market. The Boulevard M109R is $14,300. I'd be shocked if the new DL1000 was less than $11,500.

The new KTM will attract the "real" offroad riders who want a 500 lb bike. And note that Honda is now selling their Dakar bike - a CRF450 Rally. The CRF450R has a curb weight of 238 lbs, so it's going to be light.
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:21 AM   #133
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I would think that a larger percentage of the folks on this forum would actually be interested in off-road capabilities of this bike.
You forget that this bike is mainly made for Europe, and the chance for going off-road is very limited here. In Norway for instance, it is strictly forbidden to go off-road at all. Large fines and possible confiscation of the vehicle is the rule. People have been fined for parking just outside the road in some instances. It's a crazy regulated country.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:35 PM   #134
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Is anybody familiar enough with the USD forks to see if the Compression and Rebound clickers are present on this demo bike? The shock looks pure DL1000 without a remote reservoir.
The front suspension would have to be top of the line forks to get my consideration. Too many bikes now are doing a phony USD fork setup.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:54 PM   #135
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I like it. I had a '02 'Strom 1000, and currently a Tiger 800XC. Had a Versys first gen, and a SV650, the little canyon carver. Personally I've always like the v-twin. More Ducati-ish, as opposed to the inline 4-ish, in sound and torque curve. The DL1000 was a shuddery thing, fo sho.

Triumph builds a much nicer motorcycle than Suzuki. IMHO.

The hack-saw photoshop actually looks better. Beak or no beak, don't really give a damn. Everybody poo-poo'd Triumph for putting one on the Tiger, "Oh, they're just compying the F800". Oh well.

I wanted to look at the new DL650 but after testing out the triple motor it was a foregone conclusion.

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