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Old 10-18-2012, 04:37 AM   #916
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Lopez just pulled in to the finish....

(according to CP times.. ?)

edit: but the Iritrack shows him just after cp2.. hmmm
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:38 AM   #917
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They are taking the track North of the oued. Can't figure who is leading. Would say they are all on sight of each other on that front group.
The lead pack of 11 riders have literally gapped the rest of the field since leaving CP 2...

I had to check my tracker menu (thought i had crossed some people off the list)... the gap was so big.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:38 AM   #918
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Morning, Just in time for Lopez...of all people...!? Wowzers a lot changes in just one stage.

Pity about Helder, Hope against hope it was a tracker or something.

Catching up now.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:40 AM   #919
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Lopez just pulled in to the finish....

(according to CP times.. ?)

edit: but the Iritrack shows him just after cp2.. hmmm

Wha...???

Could it be tinfoile hat stealth/irritrack mode since CP 2 (the last place I have him on the log)... but (if so) he is an (unbelievable) way ahead of the pack?
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:40 AM   #920
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The lead pack of 11 riders have literally gapped the rest of the field since leaving CP 2...

I had to check my tracker menu (thought i had crossed some people off the list)... the gap was so big.
Helder might possibly see them if he looks south right about now...

(OK sorry that was mean)
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:41 AM   #921
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Chaleco's tracker died at CP2. I just see "00:00:00" for him at the ASS?

EDIT: he has 15 minutes back at CP2, no way he is first now.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:43 AM   #922
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While we wait for ASS times, have you seen the stage 2 takes, where a camera at ground level gets knocked about 50 times by bikes quads and trucks? How do they do that? Throw a Gopro away for each take?

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Old 10-18-2012, 04:45 AM   #923
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Busier than a one armed Captain Hook with an itchy arse...
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:47 AM   #924
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Lopez just pulled in to the finish....

(according to CP times.. ?)

edit: but the Iritrack shows him just after cp2.. hmmm
I think (believe) it is a "bug"... maybe he pulled out from CP 2 and taken a main road route to Mhamid... on his arrival (passing) of the finish his transponder has set off the timekeeping?
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Based on complicated math analysis I predict a stage win for Kuba Przigonsky.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:52 AM   #926
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Based on complicated math analysis I predict a stage win for Kuba Przigonsky.
I concur
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:53 AM   #927
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Hhrc...?

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Helder might possibly see them if he looks south right about now...

(OK sorry that was mean)

Look for a hitch hiker in red clothing with the thumb out in tonights youtube footage...
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:54 AM   #928
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Chaleco's tracker died at CP2. I just see "00:00:00" for him at the ASS?

EDIT: he has 15 minutes back at CP2, no way he is first now.
I agree with this, because its also showing a zero time.

A real pity about Rodriguez.

Also, I'm not that convinced that anyone apart from Despres, Coma, & Rodriguez can be labelled an alien just yet. The others are all super fast but don't seem to have a lot of consistency and don't dominate. Certainly the field seems to be pretty close on this one, but I think so long as Cyril does not get too lost (or crash ) he will dominate.

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wrk2surfyep.. they are hauling ass .. nice little launcher the photogs found!




+1 This



and this

You could get a sense of it looking at the tracker speeds and stage sector times/average speeds during yesterdays SS3 (day one and two also for that matter)... but the photo's and footage from yesterdays stage just confirm it visually.

One thing the 450 category has done has put the "racing" back into rally.

The level of "attack" of the top ten to 15 riders is (at a visual estimate) probably about 10% more than even the single cylinder 650cc days of five years back! You can see from the body english, the throttle application, the suspension working... these guys are up over the 85 - 90% level far more often than was the case only a few years back (they're riding like it was an Oz Safari on the line Aussie66 will get the gist of that one! ).

Contributing factors...?

Ummm... more riders on more (variation) of competitive material, with teams behind them, make for more competition.

Lighter better handling bikes allow the skilled riders to "push" in the choppier and more technical terrain... not just rely on top speed when the trails open up.

Smaller engines (less power/top speed) mean the riders are exploiting the top end of the performance window harder, longer and more often, in an attempt to gain whatever advantage they can.

I believe the combination of these things has made for more competitive and defionately more spectacular racing, than when it was the large "desert ships" of yestyear... but it HAS turned the emphasis from a long gruelling multi-day gauntlet of physical/mental endurance and mechanical reliability, to more of a "seven days in a row" baja/sprint type of tempo.

Not saying that these guys are not fit or tough, and that it is easy by any means... but to "win" in 2012 probably takes a different approach from the rider and team than it did to "win" in 2002 and for sure a complete different game than in 1992... from the pure riding speed/"attack" aspect.

Not saying this is good or a bad thing... it's evolution and even if the "take the Dakar back to Africa/it was awesome to see the 220 kg monsters thumping across the Sahara" type pundits, feel that "formula 450" has altered the sport of rallye raid (and it has)... one thing you can't deny, these guys are putting on a great show with a depth of talent that we've NOT seen for ten years.

For the first time (I gotta say) other than for pure enthusiast/F5 freaks out there... here in front of us is a product (featuring action and a diversity of competition) that in combination with the fantastic vistas, drama and visual impact that rally events within the sport of cross country rallying have ALWAYS possed, that a sanctioning body/organisation COULD LEGITIMATELY package and market as a TV commodity to a wider audience (not just F5 f5reaks ) a' la' WRC or MotoGP...

Sure there are a multitude of obstacles; politics within the sport, between snctioning bodies, organisers clash of dates etc. (just as LUDO and JMo Jenny have mentioned both here (LUDO) and in the bivouc thread recently) Those factors have always been the case... and probably always will be an obstacle to getting any real "series/world championship" more than just industry/enthusiast recognition... But I have got to say (and this coming from a bloke who has bled rally raid/cross country rallying from the ears for the last 24 years), now, today (finally) the action, proffessionalism and competitiveness of the top 20 riders and their teams matches the image and magesty of the sport, that would create interest amongst the "man in the street" viewer/spectator - NOT just the diehard rally/motorsport fan...

... and it's those people (over and above the dusty dirty core market) that the people pouring the dollars in, want to attract. ASO have found the equation in South America, and with "FIM formula 450"* now firing on it's one cylinder format, maybe this will take off (again) like it did back in the 80's...???

*A side bar to this, is that it is a bit of a shame that the FIA/Auto category has lost a few of it's big factory hitters the last few seasons - NISSAN, Mitsubishi and most recent VW - withdrawing from the fourwheeled side of the sport - because undoubtedly it is the big factory auto teams which bring a lot of the sponsor dollars/media coverage to the table... but with Mini/BMW, the Toyota/Overdrive team still maintaining the upper level of competition... perhaps others will come (or old combatants return?)
Well written and some really good points here Troy.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:55 AM   #929
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Based on complicated math analysis I predict a stage win for Kuba Przigonsky.

That would be really awesome! Go Kuba!!!
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I concur
It's between him or Despres... coincidentally enough, both started well back in the field today and came out smelling roses from the "search for CP1" in the first leg of the special.
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