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Old 10-06-2012, 05:44 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by fhowell55 View Post
The guy in the truck is THE DICK.
you had far more patience than I would've had. Fuck him, and forget it.
and congrats for pelting the prick with gravel.

The "mean people" driving motor vehicles come in all shapes/sizes and you will find them everywhere. Beware of these people as you ride as they are truly evil people. Sometimes it's better to pull off and take a break as engaging the enemy may ruin your ride.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:50 AM   #17
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Sounds to me like the jeep dricer was being a dick as well. I would have probably done the same as what you have done, minus shooting rocks at him. I know that the 950's can move, and shooting rocks at anyone is a dick move as well. ( you COULD have passed him easily without shooting rocks)

However I know how frustrating some other inconsiderate drivers are, and it seems to me like the jeep guy was trying to be a bully in his vehicle to you (by hogging the road and not letting you pass, specially after the blip of your horn) and personally I think there are times for the old " eye for an eye" treatment, and if this was the case, then the guy DID deserve to know that you were pissed off, and the few rocks ya threw at him (although still dickish) were "justified"!

We can all be dicks, I give ya props for not being a dick first.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:17 AM   #18
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Yes, it was an asshole move but I've done the same. On a fairly wide forest road wide enough for two full-sized trucks to pass. Some prick riding the middle of the lane hitting the inside of every turn and going slow as piss. I have very little patience for inconsiderate people. When I went to pass they tried to block me so I tossed as much gravel as my little DRZ could.

Looking back I should have just pulled over and chilled out for a few minutes. That asshole could have easily killed me out there.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:34 AM   #19
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Yes you are an asshole, but I'm sure your friends have told you that, much as mine have me. Now onto the real topic...

But all seriousness aside, why did you wait so long to pass. If the vehicle allows enough space to pass and the road is clear, we pass virtually immediately, without any haste. Thus no rockage being pitched as we move away.

Sure there's a bit of stuff thrown back, but that is the other vehicle driver's problem. If they don't want the chips and crap, slow up a bit and let us pull away. Heck, that's what we have to do at times with each other. You don't want the roost, get out of the way.

Unless they are clearly blocking out our passing, we're automatically past. Most slower traffic oblige. I can not actually remember any problem on any dirt/gravel back roads with someone not allowing passage (except that one time when the combine I got behind actually was WIDER than the road we were on). Now narrower paved back roads have all those "racers" in their trucks and cars that think you should stay back there in spite of the fact that you can cruise comfortably at about triple their speed. They're a pain in the ass.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:26 AM   #20
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I might have done the same, but you always run the risk that the guy's a sociopath, and in the battle between car and bike the car always wins.

I passed a guy (safely) on 35 heading north from San Marcos to Austin, TX, and the guy got pissed, started passing a bunch of cars, got next to me (my right) and opened his window and started screaming shit. I shot him the bird and he went ballistic, charged right into my lane and pushed me within an inch of the guardrail. I was able to power ahead of him, but I was sandwiched behind another car, and the idiot kept charging up on my rear to within inches. I was able to get out of that situation, but he chased me, cutting off cars left and right, all the way to 71, where he followed me for several more miles. I was able to pull off and call the cops, who basically said they couldn't do anything about it. BTW, this is why I now carry.

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:30 AM   #21
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We get this kind of behavior all the time in my neck of the woods. You can clearly see the driver keep glancing at you in the rear-view like he's just toying with you. Then when you get a clear chance to pass, they'll speed up to try and keep you trapped behind them.

When I had my FZ6, it was no big deal, but on my XS it needs a running start to execute a proper pass. So no, in this case the guy in the Jeep was the A-hole. If he had time to stop and accost your friend about your pass, he had the time to slow and let both of you by in the first place.

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:52 AM   #22
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I always say to impatient mates that being able to overtake (or filter through traffic) is a privilege and not a right as a biker. However, it is courteous to move/pull over for faster vehicles whether it be a bike or a runaway truck, something I do as a car driver. Personally I think he was being a dick though, bikes following for 3k's, come on be nice and move over for a couple of seconds!
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:06 AM   #23
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Yup, full awn asshole. You had a turn coming up, slow down, high five your buddy, pull off and take a leak...pepper some guys Jeep with rocks on purpose...ASSHOLE.

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:06 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by markk53 View Post

But all seriousness aside, why did you wait so long to pass

This also^^^ If you had done so you would not have felt irritated and there would have been no need to roost the Jeep. Everyone would have had a better day. I don't hesitate. Maybe this is why I never get angry when I ride.

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Old 10-06-2012, 08:28 AM   #25
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The driving like the Jeep displayed happens all the time here, too. As others have said, I assume its pretty much universal. Apparently passing a vehicle is the greatest sign of disrespect you can give, and some people aren't going to let you do it. What can ya do?

On the flip side, I have been working on telling myself the same thing when somebody comes up behind me -- how little time would it take for me to just slow down (if need be) and pull towards the side? Even if there is big gravel, slowing down, letting people pass, and resuming course takes me, what, 15 seconds extra? I'm working on being less of a dick.

Another thing to think about -- I was going down a gravel road on my XT, came up pretty quickly behind a tractor. I just zipped past since I had enough room, even though the guy was riding right down the center. No rocks were thrown or anything. Afterwards, though, I wondered - is it a dick move to fly past traffic like that, even if they are a 5MPH tractor?
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:46 AM   #26
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40 MPH is pretty fast. I am sure if the Jeep was going 20 you would not have hesitated and made the pass. If your cruising at 60-70 you could just go right around him before he knew what happened. And then you would just avoid this kind of drama. I am not sure I would make the pass right away. I do the same - fall back and follow a bit to make sure I am seen then try to make a clean pass. I am more patient in my old age.

As far as the dick factor... I think there is a little tension between 4 wheelers an off-road motorcycles. If you spend a day riding in Moab you pass 4 wheel rigs all day long. I am sure that gets old if your sitting in a Jeep. It is no different between mountian bikes an dirt bikes or snow mobiles and cross country skiers. They are sharing the same space and it creates tension.

I don't think the Jeep was obligated to slow down an pull off, but he should let you by without any drama.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:49 AM   #27
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Just another example of it's all about me attitude from the jeep driver. Since you obviously "caught" up to him you were traveling at a greater velocity. The curtious thing to do was to slow and pull to right to let you pass. But god forbid he arrive at his destination .1 second later because he decided to be a decent human being.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:01 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by JOKER650 View Post
haha...didn't roost him just to roost him...wanted to get past FAST.

Not an FSR ..but a farm road that was straight (100kph easy on the SE) and almost as wide as a 2-lane paved road, about 2/3rds the width and flat grasslands on each side.Full size trucks can pass in opposite directions.
Like I said, Gave him 3km to think about it.
I know myself that if I was in a truck I would pull over for ANYONE that caught up to me.
The JEEP was not just a pavement cruzer. It was moded for off road, muddy, over sized tires,cooler, fishing rod and gear in the back seat.

So the guy was being a totally inexcusable prick, unfortunately there are people in this world like that.

You decided to press the pass in an unsafe condition.
You say the roost was unintentional, then you obviously lacked the skill to not do it, or the judgment to know it. You left your friend behind to take the heat, and ended up pulling over anyway to wait for him, so in reality your effort was wasted.

This and some of the responses illustrate why riders get no respect form drivers, lack of self control.

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Old 10-06-2012, 11:28 AM   #29
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I'm all for not roosting others, but if he pulled towards me as I was legally passing...all bets are off. If I'm right next to him as he's doing it, I'd likely twist the grip right off.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:50 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by icebox View Post
The guy is a dick, common courtesy on most gravel roads down here in Montana would be to pull over, the faster car, truck, bike passes and takes it easy for a bit to not raise to much dust, then go as fast as you like. If you grew up around gravel roads, you got held up by stock trailers and grain trucks, and they always pulled over. The drivers knew the next day it might be them. But the world is changing, to many inconsiderate assholes out there. Forty years ago they might have got the crap kicked out of them at the next watering hole, today there just to many of them to bother.
I think I saw two dicks in this thread, a dick collision so to speak. The jeeper for not pulling over and the rider for rooosting him. I spend a lot of time on gravel roads and throwing rocks at someone can sometimes earn you a beating if you are in the bush.
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