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Old 10-06-2012, 04:26 PM   #1
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Clueless and Tubeless, a question of rubbers

First off lemme say hello to all. I just joined. Nice asylum you have here. Love what you've done with the place. Since I just picked-up an F800GS I now find myself an asylum seeker.

So first thing I did was go out and order up some TKC-80s. But having never owned a dirtly bike that could also run tubeless tires I've been reading-up on TL vs TT versions of tires. I've read several rubber discussions on here and elsewhere to the point my head is now spinning like a whirling Dunlop. I've come to understand that you can run tubes in a tubeless (TL) constructed tire and of course you would run tubes in a tube type TT tire--which is apparently designed for spoked rims. It's also my understanding that the main difference in TL and TT tires is the casing on a tubeless tire is slightly thicker than on the TT. Maybe there are other differences, I don't really know.

So here's my question to anyone who enjoys this sort of head spinning...

Assuming a TL tire fits a spoked rim, is there any real reason to ever run a tire designed for tubes when a tubeless tire would work just as effectively and perhaps offer even more puncture resistance as they are slightly beefier? Why do tire manufacturers even offer two versions? Are TT more supple or something or is it a speed rating deal maybe?

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Old 10-07-2012, 03:46 PM   #2
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Possibly heat build up? I assume tire compounds have a thermal sweet spot.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:27 PM   #3
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keeping air in a tubeless tire on a spked rim could be tricky as air would tend to leak out around the spoke nipples. These can be sealed.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:27 PM   #4
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i had a girl slip me a gas station durex once. it burned, went numb and i flipped out! she was a nurse, i thought maybe she didn't wash her hands or something... needless to say, never use durex from a gas station.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:18 PM   #5
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i had a girl slip me a gas station durex once. it burned, went numb and i flipped out! she was a nurse, i thought maybe she didn't wash her hands or something... needless to say, never use durex from a gas station.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:06 AM   #6
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the scary part... is i wasn't kidding... about any of that...
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:20 AM   #7
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It's all about the leaky nipples (spoke nipples).
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:42 PM   #8
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Assuming a TL tire fits a spoked rim, is there any real reason to ever run a tire designed for tubes when a tubeless tire would work just as effectively and perhaps offer even more puncture resistance as they are slightly beefier? Why do tire manufacturers even offer two versions? Are TT more supple or something or is it a speed rating deal maybe?

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Old 10-09-2012, 09:44 PM   #9
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Your F8 needs tubes due to wheel design. Run a tube in whatever tire you choose, doesn't matter if it's TT or TL.

And no, TL are not necessarily thicker or heavier, that's tire design, a seperate design factor. A tubeless has a sightly differnt bead that seals to the rim, and it has a liner on the inside that is more airtight that a tubetype.

BTW, the tkc's tend to be pretty soft in the sidewall so they are not recommended to air down much for risk of pinch flat or rim bend. They are quite popular for adventure bikes but have their caveats.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:00 PM   #10
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Possibly heat build up? I assume tire compounds have a thermal sweet spot.

This is counteracted by the fact that anytime you use a tube in a tubeless rated tire the speed rating decreases.
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