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Old 11-04-2012, 07:32 AM   #31
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I never have felt the Transalp XL600V being an 'underpowered' motorcycle. The original MK1 had 55 Bhp and loads of torque (considering its a small 600cc 54 degree Vtwin). Despite the fact that I am 6,8ft tall and 100 kg heavy I never experienced the Transalp 600 being small either (I did on the 650 and the current 700!)

The reason that I changed for the XL1000V Varadero in 1998 (and never have given the Africa Twin a thought) was simple:

The XRV750 Africa Twin had 'only' 60 Bhp but is over 30 Kg heavier than the Transalp 600.
The amount of torque delivered by the MK2 XL650V Transalp was almost the same as the Africa Twin!
The XL1000V Varadero has 95 Bhp / 99 Nm torque. OK, the MK1 was 20 heavier than the Africa Twin (and 50 kg heavier than the Transalp 600) but its ride was easier, like a big 'Grand Transalp'.

We did bought a Africa Twin for the Mrs because the looks of the Africa Twin where- and are - still the best in its class. But taste is a personal thing I reckon...
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:44 AM   #32
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Well, Two-Plugs tells us the Transalp is no more; a sad day I guess, gone the same way as big brother the “Africa Twin”; but thinking about it, what an achievement, it lasted 26 years and three different guises even brother Africa didn’t do that.

I came late to the Transalp party having not really taken any notice of it, preferring to ride big Guzzi cruisers and Kwaka Zeds, it was not my cuppa at all. That changed when I was crossing Iceland (in a Land Rover) as a couple of guys, one on an Africa Twin and the other on a 600 Transalp tagged along with us; they would blast off in the morning and meet up to camp in the evening… It seemed the humble Alp was, as we say in the UK, “a dark horse”. I remember saying to the guy on the Africa Twin (which let’s face was and still is a legend) can your pal on the Alp keep up Ok? and he replied “generally because it’s smaller and lighter it’s the other way around”…no fuel pump either… I was IMPRESSED.

When the wife and I moved here to the Pyrenees I knew right off that there were trails a plenty to explore and a Guzzi California just wasn’t going to cut it. SO, out with the old and in with the new, well as funds were tight not so new but I was soon the proud owner of my first Transalp. Next thing was I had not one but two of those Honda Alpy things, it seemed all the stories I had heard of them was true. They have and do take me places I dream of and do sterling service 2up with the wife’s ample camping necessities. Mine are keeper’s that’s for sure!

You really have to wonder WTF Honda are playing at; first the Africa Twin and now kid brother the Transalp, both resigned to the history books. That would be sort of ok, IF, they had a worthy mid sized replacement… THEY DON’T… and this at a time when ADV riding has never been more popular and a real growth industry.

People mention the NC700X. When I originally heard of it, I thought yes, this may be a new ADV kid on the block. I must have been one of the first to ride one around here, and whilst the engine was IMO superb, for me it’s a non starter unless they up the 17” front and generally ADVenturise it; lets hope they do something and soon!!! Why on earth don’t they make two versions of it? An ADV version and a commuter/road version.

Hopefully Honda will surprise us all and bring out another gem, I hope so… In the meantime though, as much as I hate to admit it the Transalp isn’t totally dead as its modern clone still rides the roads and trails under the name of Suzuki wee ….

Anyway, that’s my Sunday morning rant over with. So here’s a few snaps to remind us what a Transalp does best; pretty much everything.

Ride safe all

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2 up on a camping trip.





Trail ride to mountain coffee stop.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:13 AM   #33
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At Intermot, Yamaha unveiled an all-new triple engine, apparently to power a range of bikes. Estimates are 750-900cc.
Hmm, it sounds to me like going further in crossover direction. Three as being a compromise between big and medium segments. I'm not so sure I will like that. Also, I just don't dig tripples. 1, V2, I4 or V4 for me. And a nice V8 for cars. :)
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:21 PM   #34
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Sad to know that. Hope they come up with a great replacement!

Mine is a keeper!
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:24 PM   #35
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Honda never really tried really hard with each version of the Transalp.
Instead of building better machines (suspension, protection, wheels, weight, etc.) they keep making them lamer and more road oriented.

They sure did not set the bar very high nor aim for such bikes as the 950/990 KTM. If they had done it right (plus bring it to the US) they could have had that Japanese beast slot that the V-strom has so enjoyed. Instead Honda gave up before even trying.

This is funny:
Honda has released the official press announcement that the production of the last 'authentic' big trail bike has officially been ended.

'authentic'??? Does authentic mean living on past achievements and not striving to do better, while bikes like the KTM ADV, 800GS and 800XC have just blown by them? Kinda sad.
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:42 PM   #36
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Triest nieuws

Dat is triest nieuws. Nu wordt het dus echt een klassieker.

I've had 3 of the first type and enjoyed every minute on them. With the last one I even drove more then 120.000 km and still going strong when I traded it in.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:57 AM   #37
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"New" Hondas

Ya'll should hop over to the Road Warriors forum where they're just goin' shits and giggles for all of the "new" Honda CTX models. :puke.

Honda doesn't give a rat's ass anymore and don't want to compete at the upper end of the market. They'd rather sell dumbed down and dull commuter bikes, tarted up to like something fun, than anything I'd consider buying.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:56 AM   #38
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Ya'll should hop over to the Road Warriors forum where they're just goin' shits and giggles for all of the "new" Honda CTX models. :puke.

Honda doesn't give a rat's ass anymore and don't want to compete at the upper end of the market. They'd rather sell dumbed down and dull commuter bikes, tarted up to like something fun, than anything I'd consider buying.
It would appear you are right .... CTX WTF

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Old 02-26-2013, 06:32 AM   #39
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Ya'll should hop over to the Road Warriors forum where they're just goin' shits and giggles for all of the "new" Honda CTX models. :puke.

Honda doesn't give a rat's ass anymore and don't want to compete at the upper end of the market. They'd rather sell dumbed down and dull commuter bikes, tarted up to like something fun, than anything I'd consider buying.
Fact is that Honda for the first time in years is the nr. 2 best selling motorcycle manufacturer in many European countries... Right behind BMW... With those new eco comuter bikes...

So from economical aspect, some one at the Honda R&D departement has pulled the right triggers. If we like it, or not...
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:24 AM   #40
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Fact is that Honda for the first time in years is the nr. 2 best selling motorcycle manufacturer in many European countries... Right behind BMW... With those new eco comuter bikes...

So from economical aspect, some one at the Honda R&D departement has pulled the right triggers. If we like it, or not...

Hi Twoplugs,

Yes, I think it's fair to say we all wish Honda well, it's great that economically they are doing well... However they are not doing anything for us ADVriders that I can see and surely ADV is a massive and expanding market. My first bike in 1974 was a Honda, so I do have a soft spot for them and imo they make the best engineered motorcycles bar none, even BMW. But, I like many other Honda Vtwin riders would like to add to my Transalp with a new modern Honda equivalent.... SO where is the replacement? As my wife just said on reading this, surely it would make them a fortune!

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Old 02-26-2013, 02:19 PM   #41
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Hi Twoplugs,

Yes, I think it's fair to say we all wish Honda well, it's great that economically they are doing well... However they are not doing anything for us ADVriders that I can see and surely ADV is a massive and expanding market.
Unless Ewen and Charlie ride one in their next adventure, I don't think that will be the case. The market is expanding but it is populated by many "wannabes" that saw a "documentary" and probably don't realise they have a choice.

Would you accept a parallel twin 700cc transalp with 50HP assuming it had proper protection and real off road suspension?

That would be Honda's least risk strategy ATM and it would do the job.
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Would you accept a parallel twin 700cc transalp with 50HP assuming it had proper protection and real off road suspension?
Hi Graham,

Ewan and thingy were a while ago now... but still the sales impact surely goes on and the suited up wanabees roam the world...how many Beemers were sold off that lifestyle film that folks bought into; maybe we all did a bit.

As regards a 700 parallel twin.. Surely that would be easy for Honda to make, they are so near yet so far with the NC700x...as I said above.. and yes personally I would probably accept one. I'm a Honda fan, just a frustrated one like I think many others who are wanting a replacement for the Africa/Transalp Vtwins, whatever it may be called..

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Old 02-26-2013, 04:27 PM   #43
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Hi Graham,

Ewan and thingy were a while ago now... but still the sales impact surely goes on and the suited up wanabees roam the world...how many Beemers were sold off that lifestyle film that folks bought into; maybe we all did a bit.

As regards a 700 parallel twin.. Surely that would be easy for Honda to make, they are so near yet so far with the NC700x...as I said above.. and yes personally I would probably accept one. I'm a Honda fan, just a frustrated one like I think many others who are wanting a replacement for the Africa/Transalp Vtwins, whatever it may be called..

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The Ewen and charlie thing started off a "direction" for a lot of people. It also got some other manufacturers producing and they all came up with their own variation of "sensible enough" motorcycling. KTM went balls out dirty, Ducat wnet balls out streety, YAMAHA made an honest 50/50 RTW bike etc so there is good choice in the E&C size bikes.

Yes Honda may have decided that their position is in the softer end of the spectrum at the moment. in the smaller class, but that is exactly where they are in the 1200cc class. Than have an X variant in 500 700 800 and 1200cc now.

So call the X style the CB of the teenies.

But just as you said, Honda could spend a little bit and end up with an XL700 or something as long as it didn't require a new engine etc. It would probably require a transmission ratio change at the least. But something tells me that in really rough stuff DCT may be very useful as well.

But if all it leads to is a bunch of moaning about it not having 5000 HP and Ohlins suspension and it costs $2 more than a road version etc etc why would they bother. It seems it is very trendy at the moment to moan about Honda.

In the mean time they are a big seller. Someone is in touch with the majority here.

So be nice, be specific and look at what platform they have and what would push it in the right direction. It's easy just to moan like a bunch of teenage bitches Yo. (thanks Jesse)
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Could it be possible to convert a vrf800 Interceptor into an adventure bike? I guess there is some difference between the Crosstourer and the Interceptor, but its a matter of some changes and upgrades...
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Could it be possible to convert a vrf800 Interceptor into an adventure bike? I guess there is some difference between the Crosstourer and the Interceptor, but its a matter of some changes and upgrades...
It's possible to convert a Goldwing into something resembling an adventure bike, but it's a big one.

I think the NC motor would do OK for a cheap and cheerful adv bike. If they just borrowed the suspension off something else and swapped the plastic for bars and armour, I think it would be OK. The motor has the right characteristics.

Anyway see what happens. If people are buying enough of them you never know. With all the other variants they would have no trouble covering development costs. The only trouble I see is the "discerning adrenaline junky" rider. They should just pays the money and buy an exotic. That's what they are there for. It's good having choice.
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