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Old 03-02-2013, 07:18 AM   #61
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If they did a whole new Transalp with all new components that was the equal of some of the exotics, then the price would probably be exotic as well and that typically leads to a lot of bitching about price because of some unwritten rule that a "Japanese" brand has to be cheaper. That problem has bitten a few Japanese brands in the past. It's not that the exotics are all made in exotic high labour countries, it's a brand thing. Plenty of people paying big money for bikes that are have heavy Indian, Thai or Chinese input.
That's true - I don't see what is so special about the Yammie Tenere to charge $14k. That said, I don't see sub-variants of the same bike being viable for a big manufacturer, if they're gonna do something, it needs to be on it's own production line. Honda would need to decide that they want to produce an ADV bike to compete with the KTM's and BMW's, not a COPO special. Used to be the "customer was always right", and the manufacturer would strive to build what you want, now they have marketing departments that try to make you want what they build.

One way they used to keep certain models less expensive was to use components one generation behind what is current top shelf; good example is the XR & XR-L - when the CR's moved to USD's, the four-strokes kept conventional forks. I don't know enough about the NC, specifically the frame and headstock durability, but maybe it would be a good base to add some legs off a CR-F to?
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:22 AM   #62
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I hate 2 say these things ,

I buried my Mother today ,

and ,


I found an all orginal , untouched , unmolested , never even looked at hard , sorry about being redundant but , never a single bolt , nut , etc , ever touched , under 800 mile specimen , that has been kept in a ac/heated enviroment , Transalp , a couple of weeks ago .

I'm gonna say , I"m gonna 1/2 to sell .

15 k for a funeral and Fixin's and I have to pay .

Gonna have to raise some funds in a bit .
My condolences for the loss of your mom. That puts arguing about motorcycles into perspective.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:26 AM   #63
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Here, here. That's what we really need, is a modernized Africa Twin. Same geometry and build, with an 800cc, FI, 100 hp engine. If they could get it to weigh in at under 450 lbs wet, it'd be unstoppable.

We'd need some 21" tubeless tires to start being offered though. If not, we'd be better off with a 19" spoked tubeless front wheel. Actually, I think a 19" tubeless is really the best compromise for a world touring bike anyways. In any respect, if they built it, I would come.

I think, if there is any real chance of seeing a better Japanese mid sized world touring enduro, it'll have to come from Yamaha. They are the only maker that has shown any real interest in the adv touring market as of late and the already have a decent power plant in the FZ8. Really, a redesigned 800cc twin is what is needed.

It seems as most the Japanese makers seem to think they can just tell us what we want, so they make a standard, put a beak on it, and call it an ADV bike. In the mean time, you see the Euro makers designing real mid sized ADV bikes, that, if these forums are any indication, sell quite well. You may be right, in that most people don't really take these bikes on world tours or 4wd roads, but I think, like 1200gs & Hummer drivers, they take comfort in the idea that the bike/truck actually could, if they were so inclined.

This in the end, is why I ended up w/ a 2012 dl650 (if only the GC wasn't so dismal). It seems as close as I could get to a modernized Africa twin in the USA. I probably would have looked good and hard at the Transalp if I could have bought one here, but the tube tires would have probably pushed me away. It's too bad that Suzuki is intent on making the vStrom 1000 into even more of a street bike than its predecessor, yet they have the audacity to claim it's based on the drBig, what a crock!

Who will be the first?
450 lb,800cc wet? From a company that builds a 315 lb dry weight 250 dualsport............?

Could be a while.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:30 AM   #64
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Would you accept a parallel twin 700cc transalp with 50HP assuming it had proper protection and real off road suspension?

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Wouldnt NC700x be close to that now? It probably will be the closest you will ever see close to a transalp, or the cb500x. Most of you guys dont like the stock shocks, forks, wheels, anyways, so getting an nc700x and tweaking it for your style should make it good. If you really want a dirt oriented bike, go buy a dirt bike.
An NC is only a hop skip and a jump away from being a scooter.
It would be a long haul to make it into a even moderately serious dualsport.
I like the dolphin-esque styling though.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:42 AM   #65
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I hate 2 say these things ,

I buried my Mother today ,

and ,


I found an all orginal , untouched , unmolested , never even looked at hard , sorry about being redundant but , never a single bolt , nut , etc , ever touched , under 800 mile specimen , that has been kept in a ac/heated enviroment , Transalp , a couple of weeks ago .

I'm gonna say , I"m gonna 1/2 to sell .

15 k for a funeral and Fixin's and I have to pay .

Gonna have to raise some funds in a bit .
Very sorry to hear about your Mom.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:45 PM   #66
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An NC is only a hop skip and a jump away from being a scooter.
No wonder Hellforleather liked it off road then...

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Old 03-02-2013, 03:54 PM   #67
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Superhawk V-twin, some 48mm forks USD's, color molded plastic (none of that fancy street-bike painted stuff), and some 21"/18" hoops. A rally fairing like the KTM adventures for some weather protection, and I think Honda'd have a winner. Capable commuter, backroad blaster, adventure ready!
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:49 PM   #68
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Sorry to hear that! Did you say you want to sell a TA?

PM me with details, please!

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I hate 2 say these things ,

I buried my Mother today ,

and ,


I found an all orginal , untouched , unmolested , never even looked at hard , sorry about being redundant but , never a single bolt , nut , etc , ever touched , under 800 mile specimen , that has been kept in a ac/heated enviroment , Transalp , a couple of weeks ago .

I'm gonna say , I"m gonna 1/2 to sell .

15 k for a funeral and Fixin's and I have to pay .

Gonna have to raise some funds in a bit .
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Old 04-27-2013, 01:42 AM   #69
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Hi all...spotted this.

Nice, really quite nice, if only it exsisted and 750 perhaps


http://www.dueruote.it/notizie/news/...diventa-grande

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Old 04-29-2013, 02:49 PM   #70
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Hi,

Can somebody do translation of this article?



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Old 04-30-2013, 02:28 PM   #71
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Google Translate?

Title says:
"Return to Off-road to attack the crisis. The honda is working on the new edition of Africa Twin and a aconomica XR250"

I leave the type-over of this article in Google Translate or babblefish to you...

Or perhaps we can find a native Italian speaker who can do the job? HELP?
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:16 PM   #72
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Google Translate?

Title says:
"Return to Off-road to attack the crisis. The honda is working on the new edition of Africa Twin and a aconomica XR250"

I leave the type-over of this article in Google Translate or babblefish to you...

Or perhaps we can find a native Italian speaker who can do the job? HELP?
no date on that article.
the updated xr250 is the CRF250L
should be interesting on the updated Africa Twin...it sure wasn't the NC700X nor the 500X.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:21 PM   #73
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Hi all...spotted this.

Nice, really quite nice, if only it exsisted and 750 perhaps


http://www.dueruote.it/notizie/news/...diventa-grande

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that would be sweet if it was indeed real.
looks like a Transalp and the 2014 1000 Vstrom had a baby.

here's the translate
http://translate.google.com/translat...grande&act=url
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:14 AM   #74
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Hi,

What do you think? Is this true? Dakar is the right inspiration?

Definitely, Honda is preparing something!!!





"Working on a successor to the africa twin

There will be a successor to the africa twin? Si. The Dakar is going to serve as inspiration to develop a new model that will attract customers.
I can not give many clues from, among other things because the proyect not finished"


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Old 05-03-2013, 10:33 AM   #75
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It would be nice, but I wonder if we will ever have a worthy Dakar Replica Bike (alike Africa Twin or KTM Adventure) without a Dakar Race for LARGE bikes with factory support.
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