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Old 09-26-2014, 09:12 AM   #1
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Upcoming thumper introduction rumors?

With motorcycle shows coming up over the next few weeks (Intermot, EICMA etc) I have heard rumors of road warrior and beast intros (Ninja H2, FJ09, Africa Twin etc) but nothing about any new street legal thumpers..

Am I missing something?

Is there no hope of the gap between the excellent and reliable but underpowered, FI, 6-speed WR250R/X and the awe-inspiring but expensive FI, 6-speed, 690 being filled by spring?

No WR450/660R, or XR450/700L, or DRZ450/650 rumors?
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:11 PM   #2
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A WR450 R or DRZ400 with a six speed transmission, and high output STATOR would have me write a check.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:14 PM   #3
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It's a niche market. They're only going to produce and sell what they know will make them money. Take a look at the 80's, lot's of new cutting edge bikes were produced, but they didn't sell very well. It's all about time and money.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:41 PM   #4
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It would be interesting to see how small the sales numbers of the current crop of street legal thumpers are compared with the other bikes. Must be pretty small..

Of course there are some small volume weird street bikes out now too it seems.

I mean that Goldwing Valkyrie has got to be pretty small niche right? and it seems a lot more expensive to R&D that monster than to throw their 700cc FI quad motor in the Xr650R frame, slap on some CRF forks and blinkers..
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:48 PM   #5
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a wr450 r or drz400 with a six speed transmission, and high output stator would have me write a check.
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:58 PM   #6
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Not enough rumors on the internet for you, you have to ask for more?
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:59 PM   #7
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I've heard its small because it would be America only.. is that true? Don't our foreign brothers want a nice middle size reliable thumper for the street too?

Which brings up the question:

Is there not a strong offering because the market is small, or is the market small because there is not a strong offering?

A WRR/CRFL with 50HP and 25k miles valve adjustments would conquer the world I think..
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Old 09-26-2014, 01:01 PM   #8
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Not enough rumors on the internet for you, you have to ask for more?
In regards to thumpers, yes. (with a smile)

Its Friday afternoon and work is slow.. And a 200hp supercharged carbon fiber missile rumor just doesn't do it for me
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Old 09-26-2014, 03:31 PM   #9
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"A WRR/CRFL with 50HP and 25k miles valve adjustments would conquer the world I think.."
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Even an honest reliable 40 horsepower, wide ratio six speed trans, and enough electricity for heated gear, and auxilliary lights.... maybe a 4-ish gallon tank.. I would BUY one, and probably a few other people around the world would need one.
. WR426R. It would HAVE to be a money maker.
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Old 09-26-2014, 03:39 PM   #10
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It would be interesting to see how small the sales numbers of the current crop of street legal thumpers are compared with the other bikes. Must be pretty small..
Dual sport is a tiny market. According to motorcycle-usa.com, first quarter sales of dual sports continue to sell in miniscule numbers. All dual sports combined - 8.1%. Street bikes are 69.1%, dirt bikes 17.6% and scooter 5.3%."

So dual sports are less than half the sales of off-road only bikes, and that includes all the giant two and three cylinder monster "adventure bikes" with off-road pretensions. Harley sales alone are about four times the total dual sport market.

US motorcycle sales are still stuck at less than half of their 2005 numbers of 1,100,000 units. That has put the manufacturers in a major hurt mode, and R&D is one of the first casualties when the bean counters start looking for something to cut.

Tweaking a Gold Wing into a Valkerie is nothing compared to building a new dual sport from the ground up. I don't expect to see anything revolutionary very soon. On the other hand, the WRR, the KLX250S and the new Honda were kind of a surprise, so who knows?
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Old 09-26-2014, 03:47 PM   #11
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They actually sell more than I thought. I see about 50 Harleys for every dual sport around here.
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Old 09-26-2014, 04:03 PM   #12
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Dual sport is a tiny market. According to motorcycle-usa.com, first quarter sales of dual sports continue to sell in miniscule numbers. All dual sports combined - 8.1%. Street bikes are 69.1%, dirt bikes 17.6% and scooter 5.3%."
And I'd bet that ATVs outsold Dual Sports and dirt bikes two to one.

ATV's stole the thunder from dirt bikes since the mid 80's, that's why all the bikes sold today are still running their old glory days hardware.
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And I'd bet that ATVs outsold Dual Sports and dirt bikes two to one.
You're just about right. ATV sales for 2013 totalled 228,305 units, and that doesn't even count the new UTV side by side rigs.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:15 PM   #14
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Now that I am very close to buying a WR250R, I will bet Yammy releases the WR450r the day after my check clears.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:20 PM   #15
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And I'd bet that ATVs outsold Dual Sports and dirt bikes two to one.

ATV's stole the thunder from dirt bikes since the mid 80's, that's why all the bikes sold today are still running their old glory days hardware.
Yep, not only can you be a drunk idiot to ride one, but you can carry your 30 pak too!
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