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Old 10-12-2012, 02:24 PM   #31
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I'll see this bike and raise you an RC51 based V-twin engine. KTM 990 killer?
My thoughts exactly. I was hoping the new NC700 would cover that hole in the Honda lineup, considering they call it an "adventure" bike. Having read the reviews and seen them in person, however, it seems they are just a rather bland mid-sized bike with an underpowered motor.

I think they should go a little more wild with the styling of the NC700, and replace the motor with the RC51 (RVT) 1000cc v-twin. Utilizing modern fueling technologies, they could compete directly with BMW and KTM.

They apparently built something like that in the Crosstourer V4, but internet pictures are about as close as I'll get to one here in the USA.

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Old 10-12-2012, 02:31 PM   #32
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No its not realistic. The current price is 8,400, add all the blinkers, guages, etc and its a 10k bike. Add all the other crap you added and its a 11.5k bike. Not realistic and wouldn't be a huge seller so Honda will never build that. I'd like to see guys say, "If Honda built a CRF400L, with adjustable suspension, steal frame, weight low 300lbs, 6 speed, etc." Put some time into what your asking for. Maybe Honda will read this. I could care less what size motor it has as long as its in the 30-50 whp range and can go 30-50k miles.
I partially agree, although I'd like 40-50 rwhp for road work, and a slightly bigger, longer stroke motor with more torque and less revs needed for better road manners and longer life....plus torques fun in the dirt as well . I also want a bike that will last AT LEAST 60k plus miles or its not worth buying new imo. The new breed of disposable 4 strokes hold no interest for me
The lighter the better of course. And it HAS to be low maintainence and easy to work on or another no go for me....so pita dual overhead cams are out unless you can go at least 26k+ miles between valve checks/adjustments. Give it dirt-worthy supension and make it a bike people can ride more than they have to work on/maintain, at a reasonable price, and it would sell.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:13 PM   #33
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Honda should go back to what worked for them in the past.I could give 2 craps about all this techy stuff that makes the bike out of my league financially.Plus when the pc screws up on the new vfr 1200 and your stuck by the side of the road because the overpriced POS wont shift you Arent fixing it,HOnda is $$$$$
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:53 PM   #34
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My thoughts exactly. I was hoping the new NC700 would cover that hole in the Honda lineup, considering they call it an "adventure" bike. Having read the reviews and seen them in person, however, it seems they are just a rather bland mid-sized bike with an underpowered motor.

I think they should go a little more wild with the styling of the NC700, and replace the motor with the RC51 (RVT) 1000cc v-twin. Utilizing modern fueling technologies, they could compete directly with BMW and KTM.

They apparently built something like that in the Crosstourer V4, but internet pictures are about as close as I'll get to one here in the USA.

UM, those are not dual sports guys. You wouldn't even make it down some of our mild trials here and we don't even have extreme terrain here. Please post something relevant to the title of the thread please.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:13 PM   #35
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Let's go a different way here -

NC700V Varadero, based on the new NC700X. It would be the new TransAlp.
I thought a bike using the new NC700x motor but stuffed into a bike similar to the XR650L, and have a factor fairing lug welded to the steering tube. 2 models, one similar to the original Transalp, and a cheaper version without the fairing. Try to keep the price around $6999... A CRF700x and CRF700 Adventure, make the Adventure look similar to the new rally bike, and all of the Adventure bits are bolted on to the standard model.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:13 PM   #36
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there has been alot of good dual sports Honda has released in other countries but not in the states. the NX400, Honda XR250 Tornado, and the later NX650 dominator just to name a few...
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:20 PM   #37
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Id love to see Honda bring out the exp 400 2 stroke and make it street legal
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:32 PM   #38
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Honda will never make a decent dual sport. And they never have.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:37 PM   #39
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Honda will never make a decent dual sport. And they never have.
they have...
NX250,
NX650,
XL600R,
XR650L,
SL350,
XL500R,

the list goes on...
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:37 PM   #40
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I would have been happy with the crf250l but 35lbs lighter.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:03 PM   #41
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I would have been happy with the crf250l but 35lbs lighter.
Probably would have bought it if 40 lbs less!
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:07 PM   #42
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KTM has that bike at about $8700.
Or Husqvarna. I picked up a used 2011 TE-449 for $5700 out the door with 1100 miles on it.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:08 PM   #43
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they have...
NX250,
NX650,
XL600R,
XR650L,
SL350,
XL500R,

the list goes on...
Those were good dual sports.......25, 30 years ago.

Now?
Please.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:16 PM   #44
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Those were good dual sports.......25, 30 years ago.

Now?
Please.
you said "Honda will never make a decent dual sport. And they never have."

emphasis on the "and they never have"

nuff said
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:43 PM   #45
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you said "Honda will never make a decent dual sport. And they never have."

emphasis on the "and they never have"

nuff said

I stand corrected, sir.
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